walt.farrell Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just FYI, I rebooted my Windows 10 laptop this morning to finish installing Windows update KB4517389, and after that I experienced several Windows failures, BSOD when using the menus in the Affinity applications. Once in Photo (don't remember what menu I item I clicked) and twice in Publisher using Text > Show Special Characters. The failures pointed to ddflt.sys (or, perhaps, cldflt.sys) After removing that update things are working smoothly again. I understand that it is most likely an error in that Windows Update, and not in the Affinity Applications. I am not finding anything via Google (yet) about errors in that update. Paul Lozano 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 And, for what it's worth, that Windows Update does not seem to cause problems on my desktop computer; only on the laptop. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- S - Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I am also on 18362.418, however I don't have that driver (I can't find any reference to it in %SystemRoot%\inf\setupapi.dev.log either). Are you able to find the location of the driver using Windows File Explorer search? I.E. Searching for the following from 'This PC' in Windows File Explorer. ext:(=.sys) name:(~="ddflt") If so, does right-clicking the file and going to [Properties > Details] shed any light on what this driver is or what it does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyfox Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, - S - said: Are you able to find the location of the driver using Windows File Explorer search? I'm on Windows 10 Pro 64 bit v1903 build 18362.418. I found a number of references to cldflt.sys. The most recent is in C:\Windows\ System 32]drivers. It's Product version 10.0,18362,387 The description is Cloud Files Mini Filter Driver. Have not found ddflt.sys on my desktop Paul Lozano 1 Quote Intel i7-10700 Gen10 CPU, 32GB RAM, Geforce GTX 1660 OC 6GB Windows 10 Pro 22H2, 1x 1TB M.2 NVMe, 1 x 2TB M.2 NVMe. Affinity APh, APu, ADe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanMiguel Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 14 hours ago, walt.farrell said: Just FYI, I rebooted my Windows 10 laptop this morning to finish installing Windows update KB4517389, and after that I experienced several Windows failures, BSOD when using the menus in the Affinity applications. Once in Photo (don't remember what menu I item I clicked) and twice in Publisher using Text > Show Special Characters. The failures pointed to ddflt.sys (or, perhaps, cldflt.sys) After removing that update things are working smoothly again. I understand that it is most likely an error in that Windows Update, and not in the Affinity Applications. I am not finding anything via Google (yet) about errors in that update. I have a similar issue, I tested the Photo app for a few days (download from Affinity site), then bought Affinity Photo from Microsoft Store (thought it is a good idea...) and installed on my desktop. Every try to start the app results in a BSOD referncing to my 'cldflt.sys'. It is the same version as Greyfox showed above. Then tested the MS Store app on my Surface, and it works perfectly fine! Reverting back to the downloaded test app on my desktop solved the issue, but it runs out in 5 days.. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 Thanks, - S -. I don't find it either. I suppose, given the colors used on the BSOD screen, and the tiny type, it could have been cldflt.sys rather than ddflt.sys, and there are other BSOD reports about that driver file. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 Overnight Windows installed KB4517389 again, and the problem came back. cldflt.sys was one of the files installed by that update. I have once again uninstalled KB4517389 (and again, that fixed the problem) and now I've hidden it so it won't install again. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- S - Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, walt.farrell said: I don't find it either. I suppose, given the colors used on the BSOD screen, and the tiny type, it could have been cldflt.sys rather than ddflt.sys, and there are other BSOD reports about that driver file. That makes more sense. When I posted the reply, the original post only mentioned ddflt.sys—which I haven't come across before. Problems with cldflt.sys however have previously been reported in the bugs section: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/99381-saving-files-causes-computer-restart/&do=findComment&comment=533028 walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- S - Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 16 hours ago, walt.farrell said: And, for what it's worth, that Windows Update does not seem to cause problems on my desktop computer; only on the laptop. Although you mentioned it happening with menu items, is it possible it's actually triggering when trying to autosave in the background, which it does every 300 seconds? Can you think of any differences between your desktop and laptop? For example, does the laptop have different OneDrive settings to the desktop—such as OneDrive Files On-Demand set on the laptop to save space, but not on the desktop? Or if OneDrive Files On-Demand is set on both, are there any applications installed on the laptop—which are not installed on the desktop—that may be interacting with the file system in the background, such as third-party antivirus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 It's definitely not related to autosave. First, I'm not using OneDrive for my files. Second, I can open Publisher, create a new file, create a text frame, and click Text > Show Special Characters and it will crash every time. That takes a very small amount of time, much less than the 300 internal for the autosave. OneDrive settings are default on both. It's enabled, and gets used when I take screenshots, but all my real cloud data is in Google Drive, when I use cloud data. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- S - Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Affinity Photo writes to the below locations when selecting 'Show Grid' from the View menu. Publisher does something similar with 'Show Special Characters'. C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Affinity\Photo\1.0\user\visibility_options.dat~temp C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Affinity\Photo\1.0\user\visibility_options.dat It also writes to the same place when selecting 'Show Margins' and 'Show Guides'. Does Affinity Photo crash when selecting these from the View menu as well? Do you have 'Google Drive' installed on both the desktop and the laptop, or just on the laptop? Same goes for any other cloud sync applications where they are on the laptop, but not the desktop (some desktop printers like HP for example sometimes install stuff like this when installing their software). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, - S - said: Does Affinity Photo crash when selecting these from the View menu as well? I had Publisher crashing using the Text > Show Special Characters menu and Photo crashing using View > Grid. Both would write those as preferences to %appdata%\Affinity\... as you noted. Yes, Google Drive is on both systems. Thanks. I've mentioned this in the Microsoft community forums, and provided a dump. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff stokerg Posted October 13, 2019 Staff Share Posted October 13, 2019 @walt.farrell @SanMiguel I've just installed that update on my Windows virtual machine on the MacBook I'm running and not getting a crash in Publisher when using View>Special Characters. Also haven't been able to crash Photo using the menus. I'll try again tomorrow on my actual PC that's running Windows. The DLL cldflt.sys does appear to be something to with a Cloud service, so I'd expect to see it more with saving than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Move Along People Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 - stokerg 1 Quote Move Along people,nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 12:55 PM, - S - said: That makes more sense. When I posted the reply, the original post only mentioned ddflt.sys—which I haven't come across before. Problems with cldflt.sys however have previously been reported in the bugs section: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/99381-saving-files-causes-computer-restart/&do=findComment&comment=533028 It's worth noting that cldflt.sys isn't actually the driver (so it can't cause crashes itself), instead it acts as a proxy driver for your actual Cloud Storage provider (e.g. Google Drive, Dropbox One Drive etc). @walt.farrell do you have anything like the above installed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Mark Ingram said: do you have anything like the above installed Yes, I have OneDrive, and Google Drive, but none of the files I'm using or that Publisher or Photo are using are in those folders. On the other hand, I also have a continuous backup program that would be monitoring %appdata%\Affinity and might be trying to backup the .propcol files that the Affinity applications would be updating to remember my settings. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Move Along People Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 - Quote Move Along people,nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, haakoo said: It doesn't matter if you use it or not for affinity files but if it is enabled in windows. But if it's OneDrive related, and none of the Affinity files are using OneDrive, why would the error occur instantly when Affinity is writing to one of its files? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlainP Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Here on Window 10 Version 1903 (build 18362,418) all updates installed, and no problem at all. OneDrive is running and Affinity apps open and save files to this folder without any problem. Quote -- Window 11 - 32 gb - Intel I7 - 8700 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 -- iPad Pro 2020 - 12,9 - 256 gb - Apple Pencil 2 -- iPad 9th gen 256 gb - Apple Pencil 1 -- Macbook Air 15" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 hours ago, walt.farrell said: Yes, I have OneDrive, and Google Drive, but none of the files I'm using or that Publisher or Photo are using are in those folders. On the other hand, I also have a continuous backup program that would be monitoring %appdata%\Affinity and might be trying to backup the .propcol files that the Affinity applications would be updating to remember my settings. Can you try disabling one or both of OneDrive and Google Drive and seeing if that stops the BSOD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyl09 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I was referred to this thread from I was getting the blue screen when substituting fonts when opening a PDF in Designer version 1.7.3.481. Removing that Windows update permitted me to substitute the fonts, but the blue screen returned when I tried to save the edited file as an afdesign file. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojanglez Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Getting this when I try and save an amended file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- S - Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 @walt.farrell Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling OneDrive and Google Drive? Although I've seen a couple of cldflt.sys blue screen reports with other software (I.E. Keepass, Plex, Paint.net, a few AAA games) I've been watching a cldflt.sys bluescreen bug report with Visual Studio (due to it being a Microsoft product) and they've just replied with following: Quote This error may occur while OneDrive is syncing and there are multiple copies of the faulting driver loaded (cdtflt.sys) [sic]. You can try the following to work around the issue (we've internally verified these steps on a machine that consistently produced BSODs). 1. Open Add/Remove Programs from Control Panel 2. Uninstall Microsoft OneDrive 3. Reboot the machine 4. Install VS 5. Reinstall Microsoft OneDrive - you can download it from the official OneDrive site Although this is for a different issue (this is a cldflt.sys BSOD when installing Visual Studio), it may be worth trying if you haven't already. Looking at the release notes, there was a OneDrive client update on 02 October 2019 (19.152.0927.0012); I'm not sure whether or not this is related to the issue. The official OneDrive download page is currently offering 19.174.0902.0013 (17 October 2019), however on the Release Notes page there is a link to an even newer version: 19.192.0926.0012 (13 November 2019), so I'd just skip straight to installing that version, instead of the version on the official download page. You can see what version is currently installed on your machine as per this support article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, - S - said: Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling OneDrive and Google Drive? Thanks. No, I haven't tried that. I have the 19.192.0926.0012 version of Onedrive installed, for what it's worth. I'll try playing around with this some more. Edit: Actually, at this point I've updated to Windows 10 Home, version 1909 (183623.476), and I am fully up-to-date (with no updates that I have hidden), and I'm not having the problem any more. So I'm happy, and can't really help diagnose this further to help anyone else who may still be having the problem. Sorry. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottHall Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 The fix is actually so simple. Be certain that the "OneDrive" app has actually been downloaded and installed on your computer! Head to the Microsoft Store app, search for "OneDrive" then Get and Launch. On reboot, the BSOD will be gone for all aps Affinity and others.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/onedrive/9wzdncrfj1p3?activetab=pivot:overviewtab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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