R C-R Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, iconoclast said: As I said, I suppose it is not that easy, because if it was also Krita would already have Animated GIF Export for years. It looks like Krita 3.0 now has animation capabilities, but it also has support for timelines, without which I am not sure it could be done. Something tells me adding something like that to AP would take a lot longer than "half a day" to implement! Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, R C-R said: It looks like Krita 3.0 now has animation capabilities, but it also has support for timelines, without which I am not sure it could be done. Something tells me adding something like that to AP would take a lot longer than "half a day" to implement! Well with a macro you could automate exporting each layer as a frame and then use a thridparty webapp to convert the frames to a video format and impliment all this in half a day. We are considering this but we are hoping this next major version that's about to be announced, has animation 🤞 so that we don't have to do something so janky, plus this macro is not usable for most projects because it wouldn't support tweening, <the most important thing, nor bones... I've tried Krita and it would not import affinity files properly so it's a no fly zone if your scenes are complex with effects and other rich boolean features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconoclast Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 minute ago, R C-R said: It looks like Krita 3.0 now has animation capabilities, but it also has support for timelines, without which I am not sure it could be done. Something tells me adding something like that to AP would take a lot longer than "half a day" to implement! I have the new stable version of Krita installed on my desktop pc (will take a look tomorrow). But I have never really checked out its animation capabilities. Also because there is a feature called "Onion Skins" which I still don't know what it is and what it does. Krita has a timeline since some years ago, but to really create an animation out off what you tinkered, you needed an extern app like VirtualDub, because Krita didn't support GIF-Animation-Files. I don't know if this has changed in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconoclast Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, dotails said: Well with a macro you could automate exporting each layer as a frame and then use a thridparty webapp to convert the frames to a video format and impliment all this in half a day. We are considering this but we are hoping this next major version that's about to be announced, has animation 🤞 so that we don't have to do something so janky, plus this macro is not usable for most projects because it wouldn't support tweening, <the most important thing, nor bones... I've tried Krita and it would not import affinity files properly so it's a no fly zone if your scenes are complex with effects and other rich boolean features. Without warranty, because I haven't ever tested it myself, but you could take a look at Synfig Studio, which is a free vector based animation software. I don't know if it will import Affinity files, don't really think so, but maybe it somehow helps you. I have it installed on my Linux Laptop, but I never needed it. You can download it for Windows too. But I don't know if there are also versions for Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, iconoclast said: I have the new stable version of Krita installed on my desktop pc (will take a look tomorrow). But I have never really checked out its animation capabilities. Also because there is a feature called "Onion Skins" which I still don't know what it is and what it does. Krita has a timeline since some years ago, but to really create an animation out off what you tinkered, you needed an extern app like VirtualDub, because Krita didn't support GIF-Animation-Files. I don't know if this has changed in the meantime. Onion Skining is useful for hand drawn animations so you can see the previous and next frames overlapping like they used to with tracing paper. I use EZgif.com to convert videos and frames to gifs every day, so it doesnt matter what format Affinity exports we can get it into a video, Its best to just at least get full quality PNGs, And tweaning is also minimum viable essential. If your scenes are simple enough before Krita, it may work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 minute ago, iconoclast said: Without warranty, because I haven't ever tested it myself, but you could take a look at Synfig Studio, which is a free vector based animation software. I don't know if it will import Affinity files, don't really think so, but maybe it somehow helps you. I have it installed on my Linux Laptop, but I never needed it. You can download it for Windows too. But I don't know if there are also versions for Mac. Yes that is a good option too, but keep in mind it does not import complex affinity files nor effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, dotails said: Well with a macro you could automate exporting each layer as a frame and then use a thridparty webapp to convert the frames to a video format and impliment all this in half a day. AP's macros do not support exporting anything, so that is yet another thing that would need to be added before even this workaround would be practical. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, R C-R said: AP's macros do not support exporting anything, so that is yet another thing that would need to be added before even this workaround would be practical. It's definitly not practical compared with an official version update but if nothing else my macro can export with hotkeys and layer selection with mouse tracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloois Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 People are very good at making things complicated. It is a simple two additional entries on an export panel. 1. Frame rate 2. Loop or no Then you append frames to a stack and write a gif with the designated frame rate. People can figure out how to use the rest of the tool to make the gif they want. All you need to do is write a stack from the frames. I promise it is that easy. sorry, but this thread does not give me hope for this project, or for humanity. Fixx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 minute ago, cloois said: People are very good at making things complicated. It is a simple two additional entries on an export panel. 1. Frame rate 2. Loop or no Then you append frames to a stack and write a gif with the designated frame rate. People can figure out how to use the rest of the tool to make the gif they want. All you need to do is write a stack from the frames. I promise it is that easy. sorry, but this thread does not give me hope for this project, or for humanity. We were saying its easy to write an export feature, even if they don't do it we can macro that feature easily though janky... But the expensive to develop part is the animation supporting features like a timeline, tweening, bones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, dotails said: It's definitly not practical compared with an official version update but if nothing else my macro can export with hotkeys and layer selection with mouse tracking. How would that work? 3 minutes ago, cloois said: It is a simple two additional entries on an export panel. 1. Frame rate 2. Loop or no What would define a frame? A layer, a group, a slice, something else? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloois Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 minute ago, dotails said: We were saying its easy to write an export feature, even if they don't do it we can macro that feature easily though janky... But the expensive to develop part is the animation supporting features like a timeline, tweening, bones... 👍🏽 I hear you. I can’t stand janky tho… I’m too old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, dotails said: But the expensive to develop part is the animation supporting features like a timeline, tweening, bones... Isn't some sort of timeline function required to define frame rate? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, R C-R said: Isn't some sort of timeline function required to define frame rate? Well if I could at least export each frame I can define the framerate later with thrid part software to generate the video from a folder of frames. Are you concerned with motion blur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotails Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, R C-R said: How would that work? What would define a frame? A layer, a group, a slice, something else? Slices and Pages are already useful for massive frame exports, though I think pages have some features that let you propigate changes on earlier pages if you set them up as templates. It's janky for this use case lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, dotails said: Well if I could at least export each frame I can define the framerate later with thrid part software to generate the video from a folder of frames. Assuming you can set up slices so each slice represents a specific frame, you could use the AP Export Persona for that, but it still is far from a built-in 'native' feature & it could be problematic for animations with a lot of frames because each one needs to be exported as a separate file so the aggregate could require a lot of disk storage space. 1 hour ago, dotails said: Are you concerned with motion blur? Not particularly, just with the idea that it would be trivial to add animation to AP when it is clear that it lacks much of the framework to implement it. 1 hour ago, dotails said: Slices and Pages are already useful for massive frame exports, though I think pages have some features that let you propigate changes on earlier pages if you set them up as templates. Keep in mind that AP supports but does not allow the creation of pages (or artboards), so again, pages would not be suitable for a completely AP based solution. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None2321 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 There are a lot of tools out there for gif creation and simple image animation, but it is advantageous to be able to perform all our tasks within the one app, and as an alternative to Photoshop, which is the main reason many people took up Affinity Photo, one would expect Affinity to have the same functionality. Disappointing that it doesn’t, and will seek alternative options when it is time to upgrade to a new version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconoclast Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 8 hours ago, None2321 said: There are a lot of tools out there for gif creation and simple image animation, but it is advantageous to be able to perform all our tasks within the one app, and as an alternative to Photoshop, which is the main reason many people took up Affinity Photo, one would expect Affinity to have the same functionality. Disappointing that it doesn’t, and will seek alternative options when it is time to upgrade to a new version. It would of course be nice if that could be done in AfPhoto too, but I don't think that it has a bigger priority to the majority of users. Serif is not such a big company as Adobe, which built it's market position over decades. So they have to make clever economic decisions to stay alive. Even because GIF-animations are a bit outdated since there are other animation formats like PNG-, SVG- and WebP-Animations that have a better quality (e.g. more than 256 colours). I think the most users will be interested in to be able to edit photos and paintings in a high quality, and Serif should focus on this first. All those special interest things would of course be nice, but not that important. Even because there are in fact many apps out there for tasks like that. You can e.g. create very good GIF-animations with GIMP and Krita, for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child of Olympus Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Is there a reason that 2.1.1 just came out and the programs still don't support gifs? oscarlosan and Westerwälder 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarlosan Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 On 22/7/2022 at 15:23, R C-R said: ¿Cómo manejaría, por ejemplo, un documento con muchos grupos o sectores diferentes, algunos representando un fondo fijo y otros la parte que debe ser animada? Photoshop makes it perfectly simple. Draw plus even simpler (but does not export to gif but to a format not supported by current browsers) d3a12192-a47f-47aa-a833-deeda51b4708_1686843941.854x480at800_h264.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, oscarlosan said: Photoshop makes it perfectly simple. But unlike PS, Affinity has no built-in timeline or other similar time-based features, so that would have to be added before any kind of animation would be possible. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarlosan Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 15 hours ago, R C-R said: Pero a diferencia de PS, Affinity no tiene una línea de tiempo incorporada u otras funciones similares basadas en el tiempo, por lo que tendría que agregarse antes de que sea posible cualquier tipo de animación. You already have it done in Draw plus, you just need to refactor the code to incorporate it in Designer. Draw plus continues to be even more advanced. They are gradually incorporating these tools. If you look closely, it's the same application, but they made it multi-device and with a more pleasant and up-to-date interface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, oscarlosan said: If you look closely, it's the same application, It has, basically, none of the same code. So it's not really the same application, at all. And it's probably not as simple as refactoring code. Pšenda, Alfred, R C-R and 1 other 4 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarlosan Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: It has, basically, none of the same code. So it's not really the same application, at all. And it's probably not as simple as refactoring code. I know, changing algorithms and code to different languages is tedious and takes a lot of work. But nothing happens, we are patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 58 minutes ago, oscarlosan said: You already have it done in Draw plus, you just need to refactor the code to incorporate it in Designer. There is much more to it than just 'refactoring the code.' Serif's older software ran only on Windows; the Affinity software has to run on 3 different platforms (Windows, macOS, & iPadOS), using a single native file format for all 3 apps on all of them, & so on. Affinity doesn't even use the same rendering method as any of the Plus apps or the same kind of memory management. In fact, they share little in common besides coming from the same company. Alfred, oscarlosan, walt.farrell and 2 others 4 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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