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5 minutes ago, vwatson said:

Thanks for the info, but that's still more work than the resize operation being incorporated into the crop -all in one step. 

Crop and then resize on Export. Same amount of work (you still have to enter the document size somewhere) and you haven't messed up the original file by re sampling it. It even retains it's pre-cropped areas.

What happens if you crop and resize at the same time and realize later you need a different size. All that re sampling has lost quality.

You should never work on the original!

 


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1 minute ago, toltec said:

You should never work on the original!

 

I don't. Crop/resize with the crop tool in pshop, then Save for Web (old CS5 version of pshop).

It's a useful feature and affinity says they're adding it. I assume they'll keep the current operations as well, so if you prefer doing it that way, we'll all be happy. :)

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14 minutes ago, vwatson said:

Thanks for the info, but that's still more work than the resize operation being incorporated into the crop -all in one step. 

But is it more work than pulling up an old version of Photoshop just to do a one step crop & resize? :35_thinking:


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9 minutes ago, toltec said:

All that re sampling has lost quality.

If you’re transforming an ‘Image’ layer rather than a ‘Pixel’ layer, no resampling occurs and there is therefore no loss of quality.


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2 minutes ago, R C-R said:

But is it more work than pulling up an old version of Photoshop just to do a one step crop & resize?

Do this all the time - crop in Photoshop and then save for web

2 things I do all the time that just aren't practical in AP when you are in a hurry


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6 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Do this all the time - crop in Photoshop and then save for web

2 things I do all the time that just aren't practical in AP when you are in a hurry

Huh. It has been years since I used any Photoshop product, but back then it took 15-20 seconds just for it to initialize after starting it up.


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2 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Huh. It has been years since I used any Photoshop product, but back then it took 15-20 seconds just for it to initialize after starting it up. 

Whenever I am working on a project and using AP, Photoshop is always fired up and running in the background, just waiting to be used for those things AP isn't ready for just yet.

Photoshop is at times like AP's big brother just waiting to step in and help him out when he gets out of his depth

 


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6 minutes ago, owenr said:

Both Image objects and Pixel objects can be transformed non-destructively.

Come to think of it, I’m sure you’ve mentioned this before. I was under the impression that the raison d’être for the ‘Image’ layer type was that it allows transformation without loss of quality, but perhaps there’s more to it than that.


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51 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Whenever I am working on a project and using AP, Photoshop is always fired up and running in the background, just waiting to be used for those things AP isn't ready for just yet.

Same here. I'm hoping AP is ready before my old photoshop stops working. I've only had software do that due to Windows version changes - which seem to be forced, rather than elective now. ;-)

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2 hours ago, carl123 said:

Whenever I am working on a project and using AP, Photoshop is always fired up and running in the background, just waiting to be used for those things AP isn't ready for just yet.

AP is 'ready' for crop & resize, just not in one step. Besides, for me, keeping Photoshop open & using system resources in the background would be something I would prefer to avoid, particularly for something that easy to do with a few extra clicks.


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3 minutes ago, R C-R said:

particularly for something that easy to do with a few extra clicks.

I think the difference may be with people who are accustomed to doing it all in one operation. If you've never done it that way, it won't bother you to do it the current AP way. If you've done it the photoshop way, it does seem like a big deal. It's one of the few things that keeps me from solely using AP. As a web designer, I crop/resize photos a lot. 

As I said, Affinity's plan to provide both ways of using the crop tool will make everyone happy.

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3 minutes ago, R C-R said:

.....particularly for something that easy to do with a few extra clicks.

Multiply those few extra clicks by 50 images I need for the website and it soon adds up

What about "Save for Web" for those 50 images? Am I supposed to guess what compression I can get away with without seeing a preview image?


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Regarding "Save for Web," this article is an interesting read, particularly the part about its code being too antiquated to maintain or add features to, & the reactions of users  in the comments section.

Make of that what you will. I have no horse in this race, mostly because there is no way I will install any more of Adobe's bloated, resource hungry apps on my Mac ever again. At least for me, that has always ended up causing more problems than it is worth. YMMV.


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1 hour ago, carl123 said:

Multiply those few extra clicks by 50 images I need for the website and it soon adds up

What about "Save for Web" for those 50 images? Am I supposed to guess what compression I can get away with without seeing a preview image?

That’s fair enough, if you have a professional high productivity need and can justify the cost at about ten times more.

So, may I ask why are you using Affinity Photo?

I used Photoshop for (literally) decades and apart from specialised separations, which meant I needed channels (for which I would definitely need Photoshop), I haven’t felt the need to use it once. So it’s gone!

If I need to optimise 50 images I use Riot or Faststone image viewer, which is very good for viewing, organising and optimising in one go. Sure you might outproduce me by a few minutes on some jobs, but I have an extra £30 in my pocket each month.

I suspect many Photo users are the same?


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I don't use any Adobe subscription products. Old version of PS and Photoshop Elements have the crop and save for web functions I need.  So any arguments about costs are irrelevant here, it's the functionality in AP I need that is missing.

I already use Faststone for all my mass image processing where applicable, e.g. watermarks etc. It is far superior to AP's batch processing features and Photoshop's.

As regards "why I use Affinity Photo?", I use it because it is the "new kid on the block" and has potential and I "complain" here hoping that the relevant people are listening and that potential is eventually realised (sooner rather than later)


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Me too :-) I use Photoshop CS5 for simple quick tasks and for things AP is not able to do. Crop&resize I seldom use as in my production it not needed so much, but still it is how crop tool should work. In AP it is not also possible to set document size in millimetres without resample, something that is trivial in PS. That is a major drawback and forces to open final art in PS to get it ready for printing. (I guess I should renew the request to fix it.)

AP is fine for compositing hires images, something PS tends to choke on.

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1 hour ago, Fixx said:

Crop&resize I seldom use as in my production it not needed so much, but still it is how crop tool should work.

Why do you think is this how a crop tool should work? 

1 hour ago, Fixx said:

In AP it is not also possible to set document size in millimetres without resample, something that is trivial in PS.

If you want to set the document size to mm, meters, feet, or any other supported unit, that is very easy to do in either Affinity app, & it does not require resampling. The simplest way is to select the View Tool (the hand icon) & choose whichever unit type you want from the Context Toolbar "Units:" popup. In AP you can also select Document > Resize Document, untick the Resample checkbox, & choose whichever unit type you want from the "Units:" popup, but it is faster with the View Tool method if you use the keyboard shortcut for that tool.


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2 hours ago, R C-R said:

Why do you think is this how a crop tool should work? 

Probably because that is the way it has worked always in Photoshop.

If you want to set the document size to mm, meters, feet, or any other supported unit, that is very easy to do in either Affinity app, & it does not require resampling. The simplest way is to select the View Tool (the hand icon) & choose whichever unit type you want from the Context Toolbar "Units:" popup. In AP you can also select Document > Resize Document, untick the Resample checkbox, & choose whichever unit type you want from the "Units:" popup, but it is faster with the View Tool method if you use the keyboard shortcut for that tool.

1. View Tool, select millimetres in Context Toolbar and then what? No place to enter new numbers.

2. Resize Document – yes, that is what works in Photoshop. But when you open that in AP, millimetres are greyed out:

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3 hours ago, R C-R said:

If you want to set the document size to mm, meters, feet, or any other supported unit, that is very easy to do in either Affinity app, & it does not require resampling. The simplest way is to select the View Tool (the hand icon) & choose whichever unit type you want from the Context Toolbar "Units:" popup.

Hi.

That would be a good solution, if the program would remember this setting. But if I load several images at once, I have to change from pixel to cm for each image. After a restart of the program as well.

 

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1 minute ago, Fixx said:

1. View Tool, select millimetres in Context Toolbar and then what? No place to enter new numbers.

You don't enter numbers there, just document units

2 minutes ago, Fixx said:

2. Resize Document – yes, that is what works in Photoshop. But when you open that in AP, millimetres are greyed out:

Again, the document Units choice is not greyed out, so you can choose whichever one you want for the document to use as a default.

You can also use Document > Resize Canvas to change the document's size & explicitly enter a number with a unit (like "100.5 mm") regardless of how the Units: popup is set, & that will automatically be changed to show in the field using the Units chosen there. Likewise, in most fields that accept unit values, you can explicitly enter a number & a unit & when you leave that field it will be converted into the document's default units. In many fields, including in Document > Resize Canvas, you can even use expressions like "500px + 20 mm" so you are not confined to using just one unit type.

I get that it doesn't all work like in Photoshop, but so what? You don't have to read that many comments in these forums (or for that matter elsewhere) to see that many users are very happy about that, that they find the Affinity Photo UI considerably more intuitive & less confusing to use than the Photoshop UI, or even simply that they enjoy using Affinity Photo far more than Photoshop.


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14 minutes ago, Guzzi said:

That would be a good solution, if the program would remember this setting. But if I load several images at once, I have to change from pixel to cm for each image. After a restart of the program as well.

As I just said in my reply to @Fixx, you are not confined to using any one type of unit in Affinity, & you certainly do not have to restart it to do so.


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2 hours ago, R C-R said:

You don't enter numbers there, just document units

We are not interested in units, but changing the values.

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

Again, the document Units choice is not greyed out, so you can choose whichever one you want for the document to use as a default.

Again, we are not interested in units, but changing the values.

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

I get that it doesn't all work like in Photoshop, but so what? You don't have to read that many comments in these forums (or for that matter elsewhere) to see that many users are very happy about that, that they find the Affinity Photo UI considerably more intuitive & less confusing to use than the Photoshop UI, or even simply that they enjoy using Affinity Photo far more than Photoshop.

That is not true. Many users like the way AP UI looks, but many experienced users find AP way of doing things convoluted. Photoshop UI has been honed during it +25 years existence to being very effective way of manipulating graphics. In Photoshop many basic operations are simple, logical and straightforward. 

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On 8/24/2018 at 2:26 PM, R C-R said:

As I just said in my reply to @Fixx, you are not confined to using any one type of unit in Affinity, & you certainly do not have to restart it to do so. 

Hello R C-R,

We talk past each other. I would like to work in a unit when I open 6 or 8 images at once for editing. I do not want to have to change the unit every time I can do it for everyone.

I edit thousands of photos a year, and I only use Zentimeter (95%) or pixels as units. I do never use inches, mm, yard a.s.o.  Therefore, it would be fine, you could do so a default.

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3 hours ago, Fixx said:

We are not interested in units, but changing the values.

Then do that. Nothing stops you from entering values in whatever units you want, regardless of the default units of the document.

3 hours ago, Fixx said:

That is not true.

I did not claim that every user likes the Affinity UI better than the Photoshop one or finds it more intuitive or logical, only that many do. That is a true statement of an easily verifiable fact.

3 hours ago, Fixx said:

Photoshop UI has been honed during it +25 years existence to being very effective way of manipulating graphics.

Then why doesn't Adobe use that same UI in all its flagship graphics apps?


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