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As stated in the topic... I still do seek a Lightroom replacement as I am sick of the Adobe Creative Cloud. Unfortunately I haven't found a real alternative to Lightroom so far. My search as included ACDsee, ON1, DXO. My hope is that Serif will start the development soon... think the community is asking for a Lightroom competitor for three years now. Will there be an alternative? Or do you have other suggestions?

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Hi @Robert Gootz and welcome to the forums.

Take a look at Dark Table, maybe it's an alternative that suits you.

https://www.darktable.org

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Darktable is not so bad - simplified in usability - but (nearly) all you need is available. The gui reminds a little bit to Lightroom here and there. Unfortunatly it's simply slow (on Mac) even on a good 8/16-core Machine. Significantly slower than Lightroom ... so only an alternative if you really can't or won’t spend money for an fast commercial tool.


I also don't understand, why Serif still announced no image management tool. Affinity Photo's  code base features nearly everyting that’s needed - the code is already there for developing RAWs - only the image managament is missing. Affinity "Lighttable" ;) would possibly a sales racket. (But on the other hand the market is full of tools like Lightroom - in all price categories. It's not the same as Photoshop, Illustrator or inDesign. It's probably only interessting for user who jumped to Affinity already. Let's see what future will bring.) 

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17 minutes ago, Eran Dax Lonker said:

I also don't understand, why Serif still announced no image management tool.

They had one many moons ago in the Plus range, and it had become pretty good. It would be a nice addition to Affinity.

I have just started using Phototheca: https://lunarship.com/

I'm quite pleased with it. It handles RAW files well and I have set the option to open in an external editor to APhoto, which works perfectly (it's on an image's right-click menu for ease of access). It has also recognised and imported key words that I must have set using Serif's old title many moons ago (I have imported my entire library of images). It has geo tagging and facial recognition (which has saved me hours of work). I've only been using it for about a week, but so far, so good.

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OK.

I was also going to suggest FastStone Image Viewer (freeware https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm), but given your last retort, I won't bother. ;)

I don't see where the OP specified Mac or a 'professional' solution.

 

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4 minutes ago, Eran Dax Lonker said:

Ok, the price is only half that of Lightroom per year, but with Lightroom you also get Photoshop.

But the OP already has Affinity Photo ... ;)

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Sorry - don't get me wrong ... that was not meant to sound derogatory. But is Phototheca a real Lightroom alternative? Lightroom is a bit more than a photo management tool. It's a tool for developing photos in various ways, for instance very enhanced color, exposure etc. changes and improvements.

And like the fact that Affinity's tools sharing features, it would be nice to get another tool that offers managing photos and have a focus on developing them, without the need for opening or switching to Affinity Photo.

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You are making assumptions about what exactly it is the OP wants. This has not been specified, and (s)he has not said why the titles (s)he's looked at already don't fit the bill.

Please let the OP respond to my suggestions: it's his/her thread, after all.

Thanks. :)

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There's also digikam.

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7 hours ago, anto said:

You can look also in side to darktable   https://www.darktable.org/ 

or rawtherapy https://rawtherapee.com/

Simple support of raw files has also xnview https://www.xnview.com/en/

They all are free for Linux, Windows, MacOs.

I'd add LightZone and AfterShot Pro to that good list too assuming that the OP wants RAW editor + organiser. Both are cross platform as well.

Links:

https://lightzoneproject.org/

https://www.aftershotpro.com/en/

In addition, professional photographer Joe Cristina has used Exposure X software followed by Affinity Photo to get good final results.

Link:

https://exposure.software/

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11 hours ago, Eran Dax Lonker said:

Sorry - don't get me wrong ... that was not meant to sound derogatory. But is Phototheca a real Lightroom alternative? Lightroom is a bit more than a photo management tool. It's a tool for developing photos in various ways, for instance very enhanced color, exposure etc. changes and improvements.

And like the fact that Affinity's tools sharing features, it would be nice to get another tool that offers managing photos and have a focus on developing them, without the need for opening or switching to Affinity Photo.

This is where initial clarification would have helped if you see what l mean. Does the OP want a photo organiser, a RAW editor or something that does both like Lightroom?

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I used Darktable for years it found it superior to LR on many points. Never liked Rawtherepee very much, but it's really not a bad alternative. Both are really superior to  Aftershot Pro which is light years behind all others. I went back to ON1 Photo Raw and I have to admit that it's now on top. You pay once and it it's yours. Get the Trial and I'm sure you will like it.

So my suggestions: FIrst... pay once... ON1 Photo Raw.... Second: free and very good (best than LR on some points) Darktable.

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Came here with the exact same topic. I'm really, really hoping a software company able to create such great software such as Serif would start the development of a Lightroom replacement. Lightroom is incredibly slow compared to the machine the machine I'm running it on and paying the subscription is incredibly painful. If Serif came out with a replacement product, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

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Have been asking the same for longer than 3 years! I have recently, much against the grain, succumbed to paying for lightroom as my V.6 would not be fully recognised by Adobe's checking system even though it accepted my password etc. PLEASE HELP US, THERE IS A GREEAT NEED OUT HERE.

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On 11/9/2021 at 8:40 AM, Sulka said:

Came here with the exact same topic. I'm really, really hoping a software company able to create such great software such as Serif would start the development of a Lightroom replacement. Lightroom is incredibly slow compared to the machine the machine I'm running it on and paying the subscription is incredibly painful. If Serif came out with a replacement product, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

I don't know what platform you're using, Windows or macOS, but you should be able to find plenty of good alternatives to $$$ Lightroom by heading over here: https://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-lightroom/

There's also this review here https://expertphotography.com/best-lightroom-alternative/ and searching online for 'lightroom cc alternatives' will bring up many similar reviews so that you can avoid the permanent subscription extortion racket. Also, check out Joe Cristina's Cutting the Cord video here: 

 

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21 hours ago, fde101 said:

I don't see Capture One Pro mentioned here, that is one of the really big players in this field.

C1, DXO Photolab and LR are the three big ones. Others are smaller players. It is debatable what are the differences in quality, speed and workflow with the 3 big ones (there certainly are differences though!). Also smaller players may well be good enough likewise considering quality, speed and workflow.

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Same here. Been using an ancient Lightroom 5.7 for organizing for years, hating every aspect of it. Imho LR is user-unfriendly as hell, nothing is where I expect it to be (regarding the library - development is quite okay though!) - so many times have I messed up the image tags, because I mistook that menu for the well-hidden search... 

AP already has a well-working development persona, there would just need to be a library function with preview-generation, tagging, search, camera import, (batch) export and direct access to the development tab. Then a button to continue editing in AP - voila!
I am sure for lens corrections there is a supplier that sells pre-made databases. Such things as face-recognition or auto-development are not really necessary imho.

Anyway, if Serif decided to build something like this, I am sure there would be plenty of happy takers :)

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Lightroom has better storage system: original raw + external metadata (in catalog, xml) + external cache (can be cleared). If I develop RAW in AP, I get > 120MB file and this is unusable for multiple photos and their archiving. IMHO, develop workflow in LR is faster than AP.

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Re: lightroom storage system -looking at the speed at which Lightroom imports data and how the CPU load is spread, Lightroom is entirely single-threaded and as a results, does imports photos at a fraction of the speed it could if it had good support for multi-core CPUs...

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I've purchased all the affinity products now and the humungous gap is the Lightroom functionality.  And yes, I know that Lightroom does basic to medium editing nowadays, but fundamentally it's heritage and core function is as a photo library management application.  The only application that comes anywhere near close to this photo management function is exposure software's 'exposure'.  The problem with it is that it's slow to build previews and actually manage your library due to it not having a catalog.  However, they are apparently working on a fix for that that involves some kind of caching.  I've been asking them for a few years now and find it unfathomable that they want to be a photo management app, but can't actually manage photo's in any kind of useful way unless your library is less than 1000 images.

But, it's also not 'that' bad.  Like it works, it's just not fast like lightoom is.  Once you've found your photo though, it's pretty darn good.

 

If Affinity put out a photo management app, I'd buy it in a snap.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Marshalleq said:

I've purchased all the affinity products now and the humungous gap is the Lightroom functionality.  And yes, I know that Lightroom does basic to medium editing nowadays, but fundamentally it's heritage and core function is as a photo library management application.  The only application that comes anywhere near close to this photo management function is exposure software's 'exposure'.  The problem with it is that it's slow to build previews and actually manage your library due to it not having a catalog.  However, they are apparently working on a fix for that that involves some kind of caching.  I've been asking them for a few years now and find it unfathomable that they want to be a photo management app, but can't actually manage photo's in any kind of useful way unless your library is less than 1000 images.

But, it's also not 'that' bad.  Like it works, it's just not fast like lightoom is.  Once you've found your photo though, it's pretty darn good.

 

If Affinity put out a photo management app, I'd buy it in a snap.

 

 

If you look at this official Affinity Photo video here, you will see the host, Joe Cristina, using the combination of Exposure X5* followed by Affinity Photo:

*He also uses On1, Capture One and Luminar among others with Affinity Photo (this is stated in the comments below the video).

 

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