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I have maps placed in my publisher document. I have made several small edits within publisher using the designer tab.

These edits are not reflected/saved in the original file. 

Is there any way to save these edits to the original file? If not then i also have to edit the designer file as the map will be used in other places, so i am doing it twice.

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4 hours ago, DiggerJapan said:

Is there any way to save these edits to the original file?

"Edit in Designer...", and "SaveAs"? 


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well yeah I could but I don't want to keep going back and forth when it can all be done in publisher. Publisher is purposefully designed this way to integrate all the apps so we don't have to do it that way.

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Hi Digger Japan,

Psenda's solution is the only way to get these changes to save in the original file I'm afraid.

Thanks

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I thought it might be as much. So its kind of pointless having all the apps "integrated" into publisher then, because the files don't globally reflect the changes.

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47 minutes ago, DiggerJapan said:

So its kind of pointless having all the apps "integrated" into publisher

??? How is it related to "linking" files?
The purpose of "linking" is that, the original/master file remains outside the document (s), and only a reference/link to it is inserted. If you then want to change this original/master, simply edit it in the corresponding application, and linking ensures, that the change is reflected in other documents.
By the way - editing a linked image (in AP) loses link, and previously linked image is inserted directly into the document. The link to the original file will disappear - see Resource Manager.

Edit: The behavior when editing a linked file in AD is different. The illustration can be modified (double click) but still remains linked (this is strange). So, if you change the original file, our new modification will be lost when you update it.


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Ok so this is confusing me. I have a map linked and resource manager shows the placement as linked. The thumbnail in resource manager also shows the edits I made in publisher. The file path is to the linked file. But the linked file doesn't contain the edits I made in publisher.

If it was embedded and now a separate entity I could understand what is happening but it is still showing it as a linked file.

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2 minutes ago, DiggerJapan said:

Ok so this is confusing me. I have a map linked and resource manager shows the placement as linked. The thumbnail in resource manager also shows the edits I made in publisher. The file path is to the linked file. But the linked file doesn't contain the edits I made in publisher.

If it was embedded and now a separate entity I could understand what is happening but it is still showing it as a linked file.

See my previous edit on the difference in behavior between editing an illustration in Designer and editing an image in Photo. This is definitely strange and confusing. Maybe someone will explain it better :-)


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So are you saying if I now change the linked file in designer I will lose the edits I made in publisher when its refreshed?

Sorry for being a noob, I just want to get my head round the best way to do this before I do more work and then lose it all down the line.I thought id just add a screen shot that shows the edit also showing in the linked file lol. 

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Adding to the difference in behavior - if an embedded image/illustration is modified with the Edit Document (select linked image in the Layers Panel, Context Toolbar), it can be modified and still remains linked. Then, when you change the linked master file, you are offered an Update to play the local edits.
If you do not want to lose local modifications, you must disconnect it in the Resource Manager, or save your local modifications as the linked master file.

Anyway, before you come to the right procedure, make a backup of everything, so you do not lose any work.


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I see. Thanks for the info. I will have a play with some linked and edited files so I know what results to expect. 

Thank you for your advice, its very helpful :D

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56 minutes ago, DiggerJapan said:

Ok so this is confusing me. I have a map linked and resource manager shows the placement as linked. The thumbnail in resource manager also shows the edits I made in publisher. The file path is to the linked file. But the linked file doesn't contain the edits I made in publisher.

If it was embedded and now a separate entity I could understand what is happening but it is still showing it as a linked file.

In Publisher 1.7 placed Affinity Documents are effectively embedded despite it showing linked.  No changes you make in Publisher to the placed Affinity Document are saved/synced back to the original Affinity Document. But the documents are linked to any updates done directly on the original files and can automatically revert any changes you make within Publisher if the original files are updated outside of Publisher.

In Publisher 1.8 (beta) placed Affinity Documents are linked if it shows them as linked.  No changes you make in Publisher to the placed Affinity Document are saved/synced back to the original Affinity Document. But the placed linked documents are permanently linked to the original files and can/will automatically revert any changes you make within Publisher as soon as you close and reopen the Publisher file.  Whether you have updated the original files or not. (A big problem!)

It's also possible that the above is different on Windows and Mac devices as implied in this thread

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/101028-publisher-linked-document-layer-overrides/

 

Still confused? :S Me too! 

 


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I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet, but I believe Publisher and Designer and Photo are working consistently in this area.

The distinction (which Carl has touched on) is that Linked image files (TIFF, JPG, PNG) behave differently (with respect to editing within any of the Affinity applications) from Linked document files (PDF, SVG, EPS, .afdesign, .afphoto, .afpub, etc.).

  • If you edit a Linked image file within Affinity (Edit Image button) any changes are saved to the original file.
  • If you edit a Linked document file (Edit Document button) any changes are saved only within the file they're linked in.

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so Carl you are saying that in the 1.8 beta if you alter a linked designer doc in publisher and then close/reopen publish it will revert back to its original state?

Sorry if I misunderstand that but my head is beginning to hurt lol.

 

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Yes, that's what I am seeing at the moment


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29 minutes ago, DiggerJapan said:

I am guessing and hoping that is a bug. I cant image its a feature.

Yes, that must be a bug in the beta, as the changes are properly saved in 1.7.3 (though only locally to the Publisher file, not to the original of the Linked document file).


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58 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

If you edit a Linked image file within Affinity (Edit Image button) any changes are saved to the original file.

Now I have no way to try, so I just ask - this change/save is automatic and silent, ie without a message or a query? This would be very annoying, because in this way the user can accidentally change the master document, which is then linked to all other documents.

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

If you edit a Linked document file (Edit Document button) any changes are saved only within the file they're linked in.

Did you notice the reason for this behavior and therefore the difference? Is it a feature or just an unfinished development?

Another difference and inconsistency is that if the file is edited directly without Edit Document, the link will be completely lost.


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21 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

Did you notice the reason for this behavior and therefore the difference? Is it a feature or just an unfinished development?

Another difference and inconsistency is that if the file is edited directly without Edit Document, the link will be completely lost.

It seems to be intended, and thus a feature. But I have never seen a Serif comment on this.

What do you mean by "if the file is edited directly"? And "the link will be completely lost"? Can you explain that a bit more? I can think of a couple of different interpretations but I'm not sure if you mean one of them or something else :)


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35 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

What do you mean by "if the file is edited directly"? And "the link will be completely lost"? Can you explain that a bit more? I can think of a couple of different interpretations but I'm not sure if you mean one of them or something else

I have a Picture Frame  with a linked image, see Resource Manager.
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Change to Photo Persona and Draw (Paint Brush Tool) to Image.
The Assistant announces the rasterized Image layer to Pixel layer, and the line is drawn.
image.png.b2307ab063a2e1412c3bd376dce6a495.png

If you then look into the resource manager after switching back to the Publisher person, you won't see anything.


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1 minute ago, Pšenda said:

Change to Photo Persona and Draw (Paint Brush Tool) to Image.
The Assistant announces the rasterized Image layer to Pixel layer, and the line is drawn.

Thanks. Yes, that's correct. At that point it's no longer a linked document, but a layer in your Publisher document.


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20 hours ago, MEB said:

as they no longer reflect the original "image".

But it does not reflect even documents edited with Edit Document, and still remain Linked!

Edit: I understand it a bit :-) The blame is the Assistant, which performs an unwanted conversion of the Image layer from Linked document to the Pixel layer, causing a silent and unexpected disconnection of the linked file :-(
In the case of illustration and its modification in Designer person does not occur, always added new layers, and the original linked document remains unchanged.


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2 hours ago, Pšenda said:

In the case of illustration and its modification in Designer person does not occur, always added new layers, and the original linked document remains unchanged.

So, when you switch to the Photo Persona, and want to paint, you need to add a new pixel layer, and paint on that. The difference between using the Designer Persona and the Photo Persona is in the kind of operation you're doing: vector vs raster.

It might be wise to switch to the Photo Persona in Publisher, bring up the Assistant, and change the option associated with Other Brushes on sVector Layer to "Take no action":
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@MEB: Perhaps Serif should consider making that a default for the Photo Persona's Assistant in Publisher?

 

 


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20 hours ago, MEB said:

Only Image layers appear in the Resource Manager.

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