LSDJE Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I would like to set this up on one line (did previously in Quark and In-Design) - so that the SALE kerns under the cents of price - is there a max for kerning? I also tried to put the word SALE in a text box and pasted it in text, thinking I could move it over that way automatically and it did not work. Any suggestions? I am all about having it in one line. In other programs, IF I had to change text SALE I could shift and arrow over to change words etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 That wouldn't be kerning, @LSDJE. Kerning is simply the space between two adjacent letters (e.g., between the characters in "00" or "SA". I think your best solution is to have it on two lines, with a line break after the "00" and several spaces for alignment before "SALE". Then you can adjust the Baseline of SALE to raise it. Here's something similar, to show the idea: Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: That wouldn't be kerning Hi Walt, from the following sentence, it seems to me like an extreme negative kerning. 1 hour ago, LSDJE said: I am all about having it in one line. The text in one line is "000sale", "00" is superscript, sale is red, and kerning between "00" a red "sale" is negative value. -800% is maximum 😞 Edit: The size of the negative kerning probably depends on the size (width) of the letter, so it can only be aligned below the previous letter. Edited June 22, 2022 by Pšenda walt.farrell 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.5.2636 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, LSDJE said: IF I had to change text SALE I could shift and arrow Kerning settings in Affinity is Alt + Arrows. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.5.2636 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, LSDJE said: I would like to set this up on one line (did previously in Quark and In-Design) - so that the SALE kerns under the cents of price - is there a max for kerning? I also tried to put the word SALE in a text box and pasted it in text, thinking I could move it over that way automatically and it did not work. Any suggestions? I would just use 2 Art Text text frames. One for the price and one for the word. "Sale" "Regular" Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Why don't you simply use a Drop Cap over two lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jens Krebs said: Why don't you simply use a Drop Cap over two lines? That won't shift the word "Sale" to the left. The idea is for there to be only one line. $1.99 Sale (Dollar sign, decimal separator and whitespace are optional). I don't know why it has to be one line, I wouldn't do this this way. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 On line is because there are possibly 30 items to a page - possibly 30 pages of catalog - done weekly. SO, the more automatic the better - besides that there are multuple people working on files. I don't want to have to specify any alignment in case it goes from a single dollar amt to double to triple (9.99, 10.99, 140.99) Personally I like it somewhat automatic - so if number of dollars changes from 1 to 3 digit - i also like single text box (not grouped) - and want to be able to, with a single command, to align text left, center or right as need be. I came up with something that will work - and still allow us the pleasure of somewhat automatically adjusting for changes...the large dollar digit and paragraph copy below it is the main text box. The cents and SALE (that sometimes changes to something else besides SALE) are in its own text box. Then the sale text box is embedded in to the main text box - so it will stay with the dollar digits, if it changes from single dollar digit to 3, if it changes from left to right align. Embedding the small text box after large dollar digits works as I want it to work. But the smaller text box must be embedded in to larger main text box, otherwise you have 2 text boxes that don't work in harmony. This works for me, unless someone else has a better solution... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Old Bruce said: That won't shift the word "Sale" to the left. The idea is for there to be only one line. Maybe I'm just to stupid or missing something, but it works fine for me -- it's one single line of text (099 sale). When the text box is to small to hold the two 00s and the word sale (see screenshot) the line breaks because of the space between "00" and "sale". When the price has two digits in front, the marked section in the screenshot needs to be set to "2" instead of "1". Another way would be to use "inital words" which could theoretically also steer the colour of the word "sale". I would set everything up with styles (e.g. for setting the word SALE one point higher, just haven't done it in my sample) and also ,pin' the text box with the price to the description. Setting the price text frame to "centered" (Pinning settings) results in the box automatically centering in the text frame when it's pulled larger to fit the longer price. Old Bruce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jens Krebs said: it works fine for me I was just about to correct myself. You beat me to it. 000 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Obsolete. thomaso and MikeW 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 thanks - i'll check in to this - it's not always the word SALE - so I'll play with it. However, in the previous thing I posted, the word SALE and 99 are in an embedded text box that is embedded in main text box - it WOULD go left with large 2 digits - but I prefer not using boxes - so I will look in to this last post - as long as it's not too cumbersome - especially if SALE changes to something else. EVERYTHING is in text styles - that's the only way to go for sure for me. I have alway been a text style user. Thank you to everyone - MUCH appreciated! I'll have to replay video on the optical alignment - does anyone know if In-Design also uses the Optical alignment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 The negative kerning has used perfectly in Quark and InDesign for the most part. I am sorry, but I can not duplicate what was done in the video. I must be missing a step - but it just does not work for what I tried to duplicate?!?!?!?!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Obsolete. MikeW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 First, kudos to @lacerto for the wonderful perseverance in digging into how this formatting can be achieved in APub. My hat's off to you! I did want to circle back around to the following: On 6/22/2022 at 8:41 PM, lacerto said: Unfortunately I do not think that 100% predefined formatting is possible without tagging and scripting capabilities (when formatting feature is missing in the source document), but I am not sure if you could encode InDesign kind of negative kerning in a style, either... Yep, tagged text can the issue in two ways, either by explicitly encoding a tracking value in the tagged text file (here, the <k-375> tag prior to the space character): Or via a c.style, which has a negative tracking value for the space character: However, that c.style can also be manually applied or be applied via conditional style in Q, etc. In all cases, the result is the same: It doesn't matter what the text string is. I'm pretty sure ID can have negative kerning/tracking in a c.style as can QXP, and certainly can be done via tagged text. lacerto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Yes, the kern tag is interpreted during placing. It's a supported tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Obsolete. MikeW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 SO, I tried per the video and when I typed the numbers and "Sale" directly in affinity publisher, it dod not work. But if I placed a .docx file, it works. Can you explain why it has to be a .docx file placed to work? Sorry to sound stupid, I am probably missing something simple???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 and why is there a tab placed in the .docx file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 OKAY - I did it directly in Publisher - but can you explain what the tab does? I'd like to understand - because it won't work for me w/o a tab placed (unless again, I am missing something) 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 p.s. you are amazing - how in the world did you ever figure this out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDJE Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 BUT if I try to center entire line (dollar, cents, SALE) only the word sale (Cstyle) centers. ALSO, if text box width changes (which in my application will), will this still work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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