Vertices overlaps and inconsistencies all fixed in later versions? DESIGNER

[deeds]

In 1.8 and earlier, when joining lines, or merging, or boolean operations, most times an extra vertices would be added at the points.

 

This creates all sorts of problems. Is this fixed?

 

Known/recognised as an issue?

[GarryP]

Which version of Designer are you using?

[Dan C]

Hi @deeds,

6 hours ago, deeds said:

In 1.8 and earlier, when joining lines, or merging, or boolean operations, most times an extra vertices would be added at the points.

This creates all sorts of problems. Is this fixed?

I can confirm that we have released 2 major update versions since 1.8, with many interim updates between these main version updates. Within these multiple updates, there are a litany of vector & boolean fixes that may address your concerns, but without specific examples it is difficult for me to be certain.

We always recommend using the latest version of the Affinity software, as this is the only version we officially support - I hope this clears things up

[deeds]

On 6/22/2022 at 8:36 PM, Dan C said:

Hi @deeds,

I can confirm that we have released 2 major update versions since 1.8, with many interim updates between these main version updates. Within these multiple updates, there are a litany of vector & boolean fixes that may address your concerns, but without specific examples it is difficult for me to be certain.

We always recommend using the latest version of the Affinity software, as this is the only version we officially support - I hope this clears things up

Have just tried the trial. Can confirm all previous issues with vertices remain.

 

Is there anyone tasked with making this stuff better? Looking into this?

[deeds]

On 6/22/2022 at 6:44 PM, GarryP said:

Which version of Designer are you using?

Why do you ask this?

 

It's in the question:

[Dan C]

I'm sorry to hear this, if you have a bug to report in the application, this needs to be done in the below section of the forums, so our team can confirm & log these with our development team to be fixed.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/forum/72-report-a-bug-in-affinity-designer/

Please ensure you follow the guidance at the top of this page, when creating your bug report. Many thanks in advance!

[R C-R]

2 hours ago, deeds said:

Why do you ask this?

 

It's in the question:

We want to know if you are still using 1.8 or any of the several more recently updated versions.

[deeds]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

We want to know if you are still using 1.8 or any of the several more recently updated versions.

Why would I be asking the question about newer versions if I was using a newer version?

[deeds]

5 hours ago, Dan C said:

I'm sorry to hear this, if you have a bug to report in the application, this needs to be done in the below section of the forums, so our team can confirm & log these with our development team to be fixed.

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/forum/72-report-a-bug-in-affinity-designer/

Please ensure you follow the guidance at the top of this page, when creating your bug report. Many thanks in advance!

There were many reports about this over the years.

 

Who is responsible for vector editing? Do they not have near on a decades worth of this?

It's the same issues I (and many others) reported MANY years ago.

 

What were the last major updates to resolving vertices during boolean operations?

 

You can't possibly not know about these things if you do any kind of joining or boolean operations with vector shapes.

[R C-R]

17 minutes ago, deeds said:

Why would I be asking the question about newer versions if I was using a newer version?

We don't know if for example you might have used a newer version & then later reverted to using an older one again for some reason. Some users do that & sometimes it causes issues, depending on how they do that.

Basically, if you start off explaining what you are using & why, it makes it easier to see if there is anything related to that worth asking about.

[walt.farrell]

25 minutes ago, deeds said:

What were the last major updates to resolving vertices during boolean operations?

I believe that 1.9, and 1.10, both made improvements in those areas. Only you will be able to tell if they improved what you're seeing. You should be using the latest version, in my opinion, unless it causes a problem for you that an older version didn't have.

[deeds]

1 hour ago, R C-R said:

We don't know if for example you might have used a newer version & then later reverted to using an older one again for some reason. Some users do that & sometimes it causes issues, depending on how they do that.

Basically, if you start off explaining what you are using & why, it makes it easier to see if there is anything related to that worth asking about.

How about you just be forthright about issues with vertices?

 

 

[deeds]

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

I believe that 1.9, and 1.10, both made improvements in those areas. Only you will be able to tell if they improved what you're seeing. You should be using the latest version, in my opinion, unless it causes a problem for you that an older version didn't have.

Except that I have to BUY that latest version, of something I already own, and am trying to ascertain if there's reasons I should do that.

 

I've tried the trial, and presuming it's the latest version, all the issues I've previously had (for many years) with vertices are still there, for booleans and joins.

Performance isn't any better, either.

Only thing I have noticed is that I can't open the trial version files in the older version because it's telling me I've used new features. I haven't. 

 

[R C-R]

2 minutes ago, deeds said:

How about you just be forthright about issues with vertices?

Which issues do you mean? Like was just mentioned, there have been improvements made in this area in the later updates but if we do not know which ones you are concerned about or under what circumstances unresolved ones might occur, covering all of that in one topic is a bit much to ask any of us to do.

2 minutes ago, deeds said:

Except that I have to BUY that latest version, of something I already own, and am trying to ascertain if there's reasons I should do that.

??? Are you talking about a version of Affinity or some other app? All the 1.x updates to the Affinity ones are free.

[walt.farrell]

36 minutes ago, R C-R said:

??? Are you talking about a version of Affinity or some other app? All the 1.x updates to the Affinity ones are free

Remember: this is the user who purchased via the MAS and then managed to lose access to their Apple ID, and can't get Apple to restore their access.

[deeds]

6 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Remember: this is the user who purchased via the MAS and then managed to lose access to their Apple ID, and can't get Apple to restore their access.

I didn't manage to "lose access". Apple locked me out, despite more than a decade with their products, and being an Apple Dev. Changing bank account, from one country to another, triggered the lockout, and they've been unwilling to restore access, despite it being a family account with multiple devices, multiple ways to prove identity, etc.

This shit happens!

 

"Social Credit Scores" are already here. Just not by that name.

 

You should begin to come to terms with this. This kind of draconian treatment, with impunity, is coming to everyone via the centralisation of finances, digital ledgers and globalised control of everything, mostly in the name of health and climate.

The dystopia is real, and already here, just not yet knocking on your door. Keep an ear out. They're coming.

[deeds]

6 hours ago, R C-R said:

Which issues do you mean? Like was just mentioned, there have been improvements made in this area in the later updates but if we do not know which ones you are concerned about or under what circumstances unresolved ones might occur, covering all of that in one topic is a bit much to ask any of us to do.

??? Are you talking about a version of Affinity or some other app? All the 1.x updates to the Affinity ones are free.

If you can't access your Apple account any longer, Affinity requires you to purchase another license from them to gain access to updates.

 

This is odd, in and of itself. Extremely odd. Same user. Same computer. Same app. Same OS version. Different 'licenses' for different points of sale. 

 

 

[walt.farrell]

9 hours ago, deeds said:

This is odd, in and of itself. Extremely odd. Same user. Same computer. Same app. Same OS version. Different 'licenses' for different points of sale. 

Serif has no way of knowing you have a license for 1.8 from Apple. Apple does not share customer data with Serif, and Serif nows nothing about sales made for their apps by Apple before 1.9, except how many were sold. (Maybe someday they can change that, for users with 1.9 or later where Serif can tell you have a license from Apple if you've chosen to Register the application.)

[thomaso]

9 hours ago, deeds said:

This is odd, in and of itself. Extremely odd. Same user. Same computer. Same app. Same OS version. Different 'licenses' for different points of sale. 

This curiosity is based a.) on the different contractual partners and b.) on Apple's legal details: Serif pays Apple for the sale of Serif products in the Apple Store -> Apple 'only' earns money by selling a product & without having it actively developed. That's why certain online shops, especially big ones, are often criticised; they tend to be or become monopolists.

Additionally, in your case "same user" is just a statement as long as it is not confirmed by Apple.

[R C-R]

9 hours ago, deeds said:

You should begin to come to terms with this. This kind of draconian treatment, with impunity, is coming to everyone via the centralisation of finances, digital ledgers and globalised control of everything, mostly in the name of health and climate.

Who is this "you" you are talking about? It is Apple, not Serif or any of us, that sets the terms & conditions for all Mac Apple Store purchases. If you buy apps from Apple, you have to accept those terms to make the purchase. If you do not find that acceptable, then don't buy anything from their store.

[thomaso]

10 hours ago, deeds said:

If you can't access your Apple account any longer,

… doesn't then Apple / macOS deny a further use of apps which got purchased / installed via the Apple Store and thus affect also your installed v1.8 ?
… if not, why can't you install those updates which are free for the users, like v1.9 and v1.10.?

[walt.farrell]

9 minutes ago, thomaso said:

doesn't then Apple / macOS deny a further use of apps which got purchased / installed via the Apple Store and thus affect also your installed v1.8 ?

I don't think so. You don't need to be logged-in to the MAS in order to use applications you've downloaded/installed, do you?

[R C-R]

9 minutes ago, thomaso said:

… doesn't then Apple / macOS deny a further use of apps which got purchased / installed via the Apple Store and thus affect also your installed v1.8 ?
… if not, why can't you install those updates which are free for the users, like v1.9 and v1.10.?

You can install updates for Mac apps bought through the MAS only through the MAS app itself, & that requires being able to sign in with your Apple ID & password.

IOW, unlike Affinity apps bought from the Affinity Store, there is no "check for updates" item in the app itself or any way to automatically update to a newer version.

[R C-R]

3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

You don't need to be logged-in to the MAS in order to use applications you've downloaded/installed, do you?

No, but you do need to log into your user account in the MAS app to install updates for any apps you bought through the MAS.

[walt.farrell]

1 minute ago, R C-R said:

No, but you do need to log into your user account in the MAS app to install updates for any apps you bought through the MAS.

Right, and thus the problem deeds is facing.