bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 Hey there, I tried to export a PDF with bleed (in Designer and Publisher), but it's not working. Bleed is not correct exported because my print department says, there is no. Checked the box in export, but does not work. Tried it with InDesign and it's working, so it's not my MacOS (12.1). Any ideas? Quote
Joachim_L Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 Welcome to the Affinity forums @bnjkhr! 7 minutes ago, bnjkhr said: Bleed is not correct exported because my print department says, there is no. Very strange. Is Include Bleed not working for every document and could you upload a sample .afdesign or .afpub file? Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 Sure I can. Pretty sure I'm doing something wrong, but it worked a few days ago. Find attachted the document. Thanks! cover_print_tolino.afpub Quote
Old Bruce Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 Works here. I had to check the bleed box but the bleed was included in the PDF export once that was done. Callum 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Joachim_L Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 Works for me too - dimensions are 266 x 196 mm. Silly question: Does your print department think that there is no bleed, because there are no crop marks? Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed
Staff Callum Posted November 25, 2021 Staff Posted November 25, 2021 Hi Bnjkr, Please could you provide a screen recording of you exporting the file with the include bleed option ticked and then you reopening the file to show no bleed has been applied? Thanks C Quote Please tag me using @ in your reply so I can be sure to respond ASAP.
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 Strange. Does not work here but with InDesign it does. Did you do any "special" things? I can see the bleed also in the MacOS Preview, but my print shop told me, there is no bleed. Export with InDesign and there was no problem anymore. Quote
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Joachim_L said: Works for me too. Silly question: Does your print department think that there is no bleed, because there are no crop marks? No, the don't need any crop marks (I'm supposed to deliver without). Quote
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Callum said: Hi Bnjkr, Please could you provide a screen recording of you exporting the file with the include bleed option ticked and then you reopening the file to show no bleed has been applied? Thanks C As I said, the bleed is visible in Preview, but the upload check of my print department prompt an error message, that there is none. Works with InDesign. Quote
Joachim_L Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, bnjkhr said: but my print shop told me, there is no bleed. Erm, the document size is 260 x 190 mm, the PDF size is 266 x 196 mm, so there is bleed. What is your PDF size? Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Joachim_L said: Erm, the document size is 260 x 190 mm, the PDF size is 266 x 196 mm, so there is bleed. What is your PDF size? That's wired to me also. Maybe the PDF information is not correct? I don't know. 🤷🏻♂️ It worked a few days ago without any problems. Or its there software? Strange at all. I have the same PDF size. Quote
Joachim_L Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 Perhaps you should upload your PDF here. Mine is fine, as you can see. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joachim_L said: Perhaps you should upload your PDF here. Mine is fine, as you can see. Good idea. Here is mine. cover_print_tolino.pdf Quote
Joachim_L Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 It looks the same in preflight. Maybe you should send them the screenshot? BTW should your username not be bnkhlr? Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed
bnjkhr Posted November 25, 2021 Author Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Joachim_L said: It looks the same in preflight. Maybe you should send them the screenshot? BTW should your username not be bnkhlr? HAHA, no. It's for 'Benjamin Kohler' Yeah, maybe I should. I will do this. Thanks! Joachim_L 1 Quote
Old Bruce Posted November 25, 2021 Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, bnjkhr said: Here is mine. It has bleed. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
finc Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) ... and here is the same problem. My steps: 1. Import pdf to Designer (2 pages) 2.Create a new file with Bleeds 3.Copy page 1 from imported file to the new created 4. Export to pdf with bleed selected Result: No VISABLE Bleeds I tried this on MAC and Windows, same results Here the Preflight on Windows (Looks like there are bleeds, but visable no bleed marks) File View: https://prnt.sc/8TuZTtTmaBtK Print View: https://prnt.sc/NTcLEULPKTgs PAGE-2.pdf Edited June 14, 2022 by finc Quote
Old Bruce Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 10 hours ago, finc said: My steps: 1. Import pdf to Designer (2 pages) 2.Create a new file with Bleeds I am confused by why you do not just make the step 1 Designer document have the bleed before you Place (import) the PDF. Then there is no need to copy paste into a new document. Are you wanting to print this on paper that is larger than A4 and then trim the bleed so the paper is A4 size? Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.7 | Affinity Photo 2.5.7 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.7 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
walt.farrell Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 10 hours ago, finc said: 1. Import pdf to Designer (2 pages) Please be more specific than "import". Do you mean Open, or something else? 10 hours ago, finc said: 3.Copy page 1 from imported file to the new created How did you copy it? What size did you make it in the new document? Please give us a screenshot of that, or (better) please give us the .afdesign document after this step. 11 hours ago, finc said: Print View: https://prnt.sc/NTcLEULPKTgs What is that a view of? It does not seem to be the same document as the PDF you provided. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
finc Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 1. opened the pdf file 2. selected all from only one page 3. paste it into the new file 4. All still selected I resized a bit to fit in i did it with a blank new file with 3mm bleed and export it to pdf. Effect no bleeds visible in pdf file https://prnt.sc/inEwSO_JNyA7 And finally I understood when looking at the empty page. Looks like I need to select Printer Marks after all and under it crop marks https://prnt.sc/r8E28cBU9YLWhttps://prnt.sc/9b45rT5Axow2 Thanks a lot Guys! Quote
thomaso Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 With your PDF I do get bleed on export in AD, either with or without artboard. PAGE-2.afdesign. PAGE-2_afdesign.pdf. PAGE-2_afdesign-artboard.pdf Also, your PDF includes bleed, too, but shows a different object (gray), which gets opened in AD as a layer of type "(Image)". Maybe you should upload your .afdesign for a closer look? p.s.: Can you please upload your screenshots directly to the forum – instead of links to an external website? Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1
PixelEngineer Posted July 10, 2022 Posted July 10, 2022 As others have stated your document exported with bleed. If you know how to make bleeds properly and thoroughly understand what you are doing you will have no problem. I did some detailed research and have come to the conclusion that the code is broken inside Adobe Acrobat Pro (don't know what versions), not displaying the BleedBox node in preflight yet displaying the correct bleed mathematically showing up in TrimBox values. To prove the point, when I exported an Affinity Publisher project to PDF format with bleeds and I ran it through a very old version of Adobe Acrobat Pro Preflight, the BleedBox node appeared with no problem. So then why does the very old version of Adobe Acrobat Pro able to read my Affinity Publisher PDF generated document bleeds and the new version of Adobe Acrobat Pro is not able to detect them? I have other tools that confirm proper box structure and bleeds from my Affinity Publisher PDF outputs. This Adobe Acrobat Pro "bug" is a very serious one that Adobe really needs to fix at its core if it hasn't already. I noticed that in this thread that it appears that one of the users may be using Tolino print service. In their blog they mention, Affinity Publisher as not having bleed which is untrue, if you look carefully the photos they posted you will see indicators everywhere that there is an established bleed. A trained PDF expert will spot this immediately. Look at their snapshots, and if you know your subject as well as I do you will see the bleeds in plain sight including numerically within preflight, its just that the broken Adobe Acrobat Pro is not pulling all of the complete data from the correct location so operators dismiss it losing clients and money in the process. The numbers and metadata don't lie. The only thing blocking you from getting your book printed is the operator's lack of understanding of what they are looking at. If they can train themselves to interpret the values in their broken preflight dialog box then they will see the BleedBox. I am certain that they can afford another PDF program in the meantime that can reveal the bleed state of Affinity Publisher documents with no problem. Old Bruce 1 Quote
PixelEngineer Posted July 10, 2022 Posted July 10, 2022 Thanks for uploading those snapshots. Uploaded snapshots from other users such as yourself has been very useful. Despite the fact that Adobe Acrobat Pro and Packzview are both pulling only partial data, they still show defined bleeds in Affinity Publisher on the partial data alone. The programs are still showing the truth of the document structure that exists. Visually and mathematically in a broken way. Take control of the application's data that is being provided to you. Regarding the snapshots posted Re: comment c) "c) Affinity Publisher created A4 with 3 mm bleeds but no printer marks included, so accordingly no BleedBox (Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 meta data):" Response: This document has BleedBox and it is also defined. It has a Bleed area extending 3mm on each side. It is right in front of you displayed in the dialog box. You can see it in Adobe Preflight with the existing data if you know your stuff do the math. You're in control. With this data I can tell you the BleedBox coordinates that Adobe is failing to display for whatever reason. Here it is: BleedBox (mm) 216.058x303.017 (0.0/0.0/216.058/303.010) The BleedBox is in the document and is defined. The numbers and meta-data do not lie. Furthermore, you can see it displayed in visually as boxes in the next photo which you describe as being the same document in comment d). Comment d): "d) Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 showing calculational page boxes:" Response: Below is a zoomed in view of one of the photos you posted representing an Affinity Publisher document being viewed within Adobe Acrobat Pro. In the photo below you will notice that this document contains a BleedBox. Looking at the box structure alone, a user can already tell that it has a defined bleed. Adobe is literally showing you the box exists! Thats great!!! Adobe Acrobat Pro software is spelling it out to you, that you are looking at an actual BleedBox. And the 0mm under Margin Controls is simply telling you that the BleedBox is sitting on the very edge of the document with no distance from the edge where it is supposed to be based on your output configuration. Everything checks out. Awesome! No problem in this PDF. And based on the existing samples of the data successfully being retrieved from the code, you should be able to see the Trim Values under Margin controls when you switch to the Apply to: to TrimBox. It should show a value of 3mm for the TrimBox.(Caution: Do not make the same mistake I witnessed another user make in a video by clicking the button set boxes to zero, you will introduce user error into the equation. LOL). You are simply looking at the document structure not modifying it. All systems go, perfect!!! Send this document to print! Now that we know that everything checks we should correct document name and change it to: "bleed_withbleedbox.pdf" which is more appropriate. re: Comment e) "e) The same document shown in Packzview (calculated page box values shown grayed out, indicating e.g. that the document does not have BleedBox as explicit meta data):" Response: Look at the photo on the right which is the Affinity Publisher document it is clearly showing you a defined bleed which cannot exist without a BleedBox. And yes, Adobe is pulling this information from the meta data. The Box drawing reflects the numberical meta data from an area of the document that users can not see. Looking at the numerical data in the dialog I can tell you with great confidence that you are looking at a PDF that a user designed in Affinity Publisher with a defined bleed set to 6mm on each side. The last thing we need is to code to compensate for another companies broken app that is not displaying all of the data properly. Do note that earlier version of Adobe Acrobat Pro had no problem with this. And that there are plenty of other programs that detect the data with no problem in the display feedback to the user. Affinity Publisher can export a BleedBox into a PDF format with or without defined bleeds using the correct output generated by the user. I hope that this clears up the confusion and clearly demonstrates that Affinity Publisher does generate correct "real" BleedBoxes on a professional level. Quote
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