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41/2 years and still a deafening silence on a/any dimension tool. Whilst I appreciate that Designer is not meant to be a replacement for DrawPlus I do think that the fact that Drawplus had a dimension tool and Designer does not, indicates - very clearly - that the (otherwise brilliant) Serif developers do not fully understand the meaning of the word Designer. The English dictionary definition of Designer - "One who makes artist designs, patterns , or plans of construction" the latter cannot be done without a dimension tool. Without a dimension tool "Designer" is a misnomer and misleading.

Thanks @Patrick Connor for all updates but please, for the sake of my old brain, don't send any more emails, received 1.10 minutes ago worded like this :- " We are pleased to announce Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher are now all updated to version 1.7.3 (for all new and existing customers)" I found this very confusing when I opened the apps and found them all referring to a 1.8.0 updated. 😕

Keep PagePlus and trial AF Publisher against it, much easier than someone trying to list all the differences, many of which might not affect you. I've purchased the full Affinity Suite but I've also kept PhotoPlus, DrawPlus and PagePlus installed, for those things I want to do that none of the AFs can do yet. With all the (good) work that Serif are doing/ and still have to do, I think it will be a long (long) time before the Windows users will have full AF Suites that can fully/truly replace the 'Plus range' ...... of course the Mac users do not have such, still good, products to 'fall back on'.

Thanks.

What time will the download of Publisher be available? Pre order acknowledgement states "available for download 19th June" Still not available to download from store.

Whilst I fully agree with everything that everybody has said (unusual for me) regarding having to pay for upgrades - the "Free tyres (UK)" was the deal I got with my new car ...... the next set of tyres I need will be free ; but like updates I suppose that I've already paid for them in my initial purchase price. Quote

You will have noticed that joke was in inverted commas, meaning that whilst Mac users may not have actually laughed at Serif products, that they did not take them 'seriously' as 'professional products', despite them being more than capable of doing a very competent job with Windows. For example I have used, for more years than I can remember, and for some things am still forced to use, Serif DrawPlus (in all its incarnations) in my job/profession as a design engineer - because in all honesty as I initially had a home desktop set-up and used three laptops I could not afford Macs, so went for Windows (in all its incarnations) and Serif products. So a couple of examples of Serif products not being 'professional' - (1) I submitted, via email, a proposed design for a new piece of equipment ..... which was rejected as being 'un-openable' as their office only used Macs - I then had to travel a large distance in order to attended in person and submitted the proposal on my laptop, much to their surprise, even the disbelieve of some, that such work could be done using Serif DrawPlus. (2) I was asked to tutor a 'beginners design' group at night-school but found out that I was unable to do so because all my course work was prepared on Windows, using DrawPlus, but the school only used Macs because "Macs were the preferred system for professional offices where the students would be working. In my experience many so called professionals, who have not heard of or seen the Affinity products, know that Serif are now in the 'Mac market', still think you are not being 'serious' if you suggest that they think of using Serif products. Bearing the above in mind I can fully understand why Serif are, or seem to be, giving the Mac versions of Affinity 'preferential treatment' in order to break into that market and I wish them ever success in winning over the 'scoffers and disbelievers'.

Semantics ....... if Affinity did not succeed then Serif would not succeed.

Mac has always been the 'favoured son' of Affinity - (perhaps) understandably so as the 'Mac market' was a market that Serif had never had and which they had to capture in order for Affinity to succeed, But that still doesn't stop it rankling at times with those Windows users who have supported them over the years, when the Mac users treated Serif as a 'joke'.

This thread goes back to October 2015 ........ and still not one single word from anybody at Serif.

Good morning alfred (no way am I going to attempt that signature) - that was quick ! Too hot for you, like it is for me, to be doing anything else? Having for many years had to be careful (usually) with my choice of words I did say "virtually", in its meaning of "almost".

After waiting (im)patiently for many, many months, saying now't and still putting my trust in Serif, I'm afraid the cynic in me has got the better of me. "Shouldn't be more than that" (on past broken 'promises') doesn't mean "won't be more than that. How many time already have we been told to expect it because I've lost count? If it "may not be suitable for much serious work" what have we been kept waiting for for so long? Haven't the (hard working, and I mean that) guys at Serif been spending all this time ensuring that a virtually fully functioning product (even in beta) is released?

There is also the German version "Many Hans make light arbeit" which is the slogan of the electrician's union.

Thank you @Patrick Connor for that post, acknowledging how confusing 'things' are. But not for where you are going to post the 'tricky' explanation(s) - yet more 'trawling though heavy seas' to find them.

Thanks Alfred Confusion was caused by Affinity Store & Micro$oft Store having different version numbers ...... seems that I will (eventually) get the new versions and all the updated 'goodies' they contain .