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After installing iPad OS 13 last night and also deleting/reinstalling AP due to another issue, all my photos are importing with a strong magenta cast, especially in the highlights. This never happened before and I’m finding it difficult to remove from the highlights. Almost like pink coma is being added by AP. Ruins the photos, really. 

2018 iPP 1TB on iPad OS 13 (not beta)

Fuji RAF files from an XT3.

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1 hour ago, swenpaylay said:

After installing iPad OS 13 last night and also deleting/reinstalling AP due to another issue, all my photos are importing with a strong magenta cast, especially in the highlights. This never happened before and I’m finding it difficult to remove from the highlights. Almost like pink coma is being added by AP. Ruins the photos, really. 

2018 iPP 1TB on iPad OS 13 (not beta)

Fuji RAF files from an XT3.

Screen shots of Camera Roll vs Affinity. Can confirm the files look fine in LR/PS. Was really hoping to use AP exclusively and fully divorce Adobe but this is a huge dealbreaker and I've been tinkering and reporting bugs all summer to no avail. The time lost equals or exceeds the money saved by cancelling Adobe. Very disappointing. Should have just left it as it was at 1.6. 

 

 

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Hi @swenpaylay sorry to hear you are having issues. Hopefully mods will be able to help. 
If you want to upload a photo here I’d be happy to check and see if I get same issue.
Also have you tried turning off apply tone curve to raw images to see if that improves it. You can find it under Document menu / Assistant. Note that camera roll is only showing a low res jpg of your raw file. 


IPad Pro 10.5/512GB lpadOS 13.1.1  Affinity Photo 1.7.3.155 Affinity Design 1.7.3.1 Publisher for iPad ?

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Hey swenpaylay,

As DM1 suggested, we could really do with a copy of this raw file.

There is a bug logged with the developers were we are seeing a slightly magenta cast over blue areas and I wonder if this could be similar. We won't be able to tell for sure without a copy of the file.

It's strange that it seems to be happening all of a sudden though. 

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Thanks for the replies. I tried disabling the tone curve setting and it actually made the magenta cast worse. And in fact no adjusting of white balance even seems to affect the hue at all, even maxed out yellow temp/ green tint. i wonder if its a fuji RAF issue. I have been going back and forth between canon and fuji all summer and this is the first major project ive done on fuji in a while. 

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This is also an issue with the Sony a7r3 and Sony lenses.  
It is not an issue with CaptureOne as the camera and lens profiles are included.  
Has the camera profile been included in Affinity Photo yet for both iPad and Macs?

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6 hours ago, p_mac said:

This is also an issue with the Sony a7r3 and Sony lenses.  
It is not an issue with CaptureOne as the camera and lens profiles are included.  
Has the camera profile been included in Affinity Photo yet for both iPad and Macs?

Yeah the Fuji XT3 profile has been in there for a while and I didn’t notice the color issue until recently. I sent devs a RAW so fingers crossed. I assume it’s a bug that occurs to the color profile on import. Hopefully there’s followup to this issue as it has totally stalled my workflow. 

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On 9/25/2019 at 12:15 PM, swenpaylay said:

After installing iPad OS 13 last night and also deleting/reinstalling AP due to another issue, all my photos are importing with a strong magenta cast, especially in the highlights. This never happened before and I’m finding it difficult to remove from the highlights. Almost like pink coma is being added by AP. Ruins the photos, really. 

2018 iPP 1TB on iPad OS 13 (not beta)

Fuji RAF files from an XT3.

Sad to report this issue is still present in ipad os 13.1.2 an AP 1.7.3 :/

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I see that the Sony a7r3 is now included.  It wasn't the last time I looked.  My images have been looking somewhat better lately. 
It is my belief from also working on the Mac that this is more of a chromatic aberration issue as if I run the chromatic aberration filter the colour corrects. However one cannot run this filter in AP on the iPad even turning it on does nothing. Defringing doesn't work.  

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1 hour ago, p_mac said:

I see that the Sony a7r3 is now included.  It wasn't the last time I looked.  My images have been looking somewhat better lately. 
It is my belief from also working on the Mac that this is more of a chromatic aberration issue as if I run the chromatic aberration filter the colour corrects. However one cannot run this filter in AP on the iPad even turning it on does nothing. Defringing doesn't work.  

My images are very flat and no amount of color correction has any effect. They’re just washed out in magenta. Color temp sliders have no affect at all. As if it’s only importing a piece of the gamut and overwhelmingly so on magenta channels. Literally impossible to edit. 

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On 9/26/2019 at 3:11 AM, Chris B said:

Hey swenpaylay,

As DM1 suggested, we could really do with a copy of this raw file.

There is a bug logged with the developers were we are seeing a slightly magenta cast over blue areas and I wonder if this could be similar. We won't be able to tell for sure without a copy of the file.

It's strange that it seems to be happening all of a sudden though. 

So the issue here seems to be iOS has decided to save only the thumbnails locally on any of my ios devices. I think the cause of my import issue is that affinity can only ‘see’ the rendered jpeg. The strange thing is that it only happens with this one particular photo set im working on. Everything before and after is fine. The cause eludes me and I cant get ios to leave the files as they are. My theories are this particular set was loaded into lightroom mobile and it did something. I had also tried to sync via icloud photos, which I have since disabled. I think it may have been that. Finally, i also imported them via usb to my mac via the mac photos app because i was having a hard time uploading via icloud drive like usual and it just left me the previews. But again this problem exists only for this set of files and occurs on both my ipad and iphone. So my guess is somehow the cache of icloud photos thinks it has the raws soits only saving thumbnails regardless of device. Strange though that lightroom can open the raws no sweat. Im stumped.
 

Does anyone know how to fix this on ios? 

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13 minutes ago, p_mac said:

Are you importing to Photos directly from your camera?

That's a loaded question. But generally speaking, I save into the camera roll first from SD, cull, then pull into AP

I just spent two hours on the phone with an apple engineer to discuss the problem. They are bewildered and are following up. 

What seems to have happened is i imported to my mac via the photos app and it told my ipad not to keep originals. Somehow latent metadata in icloud is continuing to tell it do to do so, but only for this particular set of photos. The raw file is technically still in the background but has to be downloaded when the file opens, just like an 'optimized for storage' file would. Lightroom was able to still pull raws out of these messed up files but AP was not. I prefer AP and only downloaded LR as a temporary solution to what I thought was an AP bug (my bad..it's ios) 

I can successfully import to AP via the files app, where I have the RAFs stored in icloud drive. It pulls them in no problem. It's just that when I save the raws to my main camera roll, icloud photos or the photos mac app, is still telling my ipad to only show me the rendered jpegs. Hence I can't import them from the camera roll without this magenta issue or the multi-import crashing issue I reported in a different thread. 

AP devs might consider coding the imports such that AP searches for background raws for optimized photos. LR seems to have that ability. 

I generally don't import to mac via usb/photos or via icloud photos but at the time my icloud drive was bugged up and wouldn't upload raws. That was another issue that doesn't seem to exist anymore. 

The really strange thing is the photos app on mac continues to get my raws in the background as I import to ipad and it only gets jpegs, even though icloud photos, and any syncing settings that should connect the two libraries is disabled. The photos don't even appear in mac photos, just in the 'masters' folder accessed by right click > show package contents. 

So I think theres some latent metadata in icloud photos telling my ipad to prioritize the jpegs due to my usb import and/or temporary icloud photos enabling. 

Moral of the story: don't back up with USB/Photos or iCloud photos. Just pop the SD card into both machines separately. Annoying but the safest bet, per the Apple photos engineer. 

For now I'm attempting to save the files back to my ipad camera roll via itunes sync as suggested by Apple. 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, swenpaylay said:

That's a loaded question. But generally speaking, I save into the camera roll first from SD, cull, then pull into AP

I just spent two hours on the phone with an apple engineer to discuss the problem. They are bewildered and are following up. 

What seems to have happened is i imported to my mac via the photos app and it told my ipad not to keep originals. Somehow latent metadata in icloud is continuing to tell it do to do so, but only for this particular set of photos. The raw file is technically still in the background but has to be downloaded when the file opens, just like an 'optimized for storage' file would. Lightroom was able to still pull raws out of these messed up files but AP was not. I prefer AP and only downloaded LR as a temporary solution to what I thought was an AP bug (my bad..it's ios) 

I can successfully import to AP via the files app, where I have the RAFs stored in icloud drive. It pulls them in no problem. It's just that when I save the raws to my main camera roll, icloud photos or the photos mac app, is still telling my ipad to only show me the rendered jpegs. Hence I can't import them from the camera roll without this magenta issue or the multi-import crashing issue I reported in a different thread. 

AP devs might consider coding the imports such that AP searches for background raws for optimized photos. LR seems to have that ability. 

I generally don't import to mac via usb/photos or via icloud photos but at the time my icloud drive was bugged up and wouldn't upload raws. That was another issue that doesn't seem to exist anymore. 

The really strange thing is the photos app on mac continues to get my raws in the background as I import to ipad and it only gets jpegs, even though icloud photos, and any syncing settings that should connect the two libraries is disabled. The photos don't even appear in mac photos, just in the 'masters' folder accessed by right click > show package contents. 

So I think theres some latent metadata in icloud photos telling my ipad to prioritize the jpegs due to my usb import and/or temporary icloud photos enabling. 

Moral of the story: don't back up with USB/Photos or iCloud photos. Just pop the SD card into both machines separately. Annoying but the safest bet, per the Apple photos engineer. 

For now I'm attempting to save the files back to my ipad camera roll via itunes sync as suggested by Apple. 

 

 

 

 

 

One correction: Lightroom may only be importing the rendered jpeg and calling it a raw due to the error. Now that i pull the sliders it seems the photos lack dynamic range of a raw, and that the better color vs AP is due to the baked in color profiles. 

Also, using itunes to sync the photos back to the ipad doesn't work. Still only jpegs. 

The tech told me icloud auto clears its cache about every 30 days so maybe I'll just wait 'til then to try again. 

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5 hours ago, Chris B said:

Thank you for updating us, swenpaylay. I am quite surprised to be honest. 

Yeah. Strange issue.  But heres another unfortunate on topic update: I’m still getting magenta in the highlights that can’t be corrected very easily, even now that I am able to pull in the raw files. CA and Defringing toggles dont help. Adjusting white balance does a little, as does split toning, but not 100% and not without losing good colors I ant to keep. Devs should certainly still consider this unsolved. 

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