Guides and bounding boxes

[jackamus]

32 minutes ago, GarryP said:

jackamus: I’ve just noticed that your forum signature says that you are using V1.10.5 of Designer. Is that true?

Yes.

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, jackamus said:

Yes.

1. That's a downlevel release. 1.10.6 is current. https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/71071-latest-affinity-v1-releases-on-each-platform-by-store/
2. No improvements will be made to V1. If any improvement were to be made at this point, it would be in V2. 

[Old Bruce]

3 hours ago, jackamus said:

... just to try and get something that will allow me to drag a guide to a bounding box handle.

You can drag a guide near a bounding box handle, but it will never snap to the handle. A guide can snap to the Centre and Edge of the Ellipse if you have the appropriate items checked in the Snapping settings. So it may appear to you (and others) that the guide has "snapped to the bounding box handle" but it has, in fact, snapped to the Centre or Edge of the item.

Here is an edge case which would show how the ability to see the bounding box handles would be of limited use. The vertical guide is through the centre of the ellipse.

[jackamus]

Hi Bruce, How many times do I have to say this! You wouldn't need to do any of these things if the bounding boxes did not disappear!

[walt.farrell]

2 minutes ago, jackamus said:

How many times do I have to say this! You wouldn't need to do any of these things if the bounding boxes did not disappear!

Once. In just one topic. In Feature Requests.

[Old Bruce]

8 minutes ago, jackamus said:

Hi Bruce, How many times do I have to say this! You wouldn't need to do any of these things if the bounding boxes did not disappear!

If they did not disappear their visibility would be of absolutely no use to you. 

[jackamus]

Please explain why having a bounding box disappear when I move a guide is absolutely no use to me? If it was no use to me why am I asking the question?

What is the purpose of a bounding box and its handles?

[v_kyr]

12 minutes ago, jackamus said:

What is the purpose of a bounding box and its handles?

To give you a visually feedback that it is now the selected active object, the handles to indicate to you that you can grab these in order to alter/manipulate that object (move, resize, rotate, skew, delete ... etc.)! - A Guide is another/different helper object related to the canvas & rulers, but which isn't directly associated with other on screen drawn objects (like shapes/curves). In order to get some intersection association between on screen drawn/shown objects and dragged guides Snapping has to be activated and used.

So to sum up in short, guides are independent objects and are selectable independently by themself, their ownly loose coupling are rulers. An association between guides and drawn objects is performed via the snapping functionality.

[jackamus]

3 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Once. In just one topic. In Feature Requests.

 

16 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

To give you a visually feedback that it is now the selected active object, the handles to indicate to you that you can grab these in order to alter/manipulate that object (move, resize, rotate, skew, delete ... etc.)!

I agree Walt but a bonus on top of all that is to be able to move a guide without it disappearing.

What is happening is that it is like a tool that has been invented that can drill holes, screw screws, use cutting discs and saw blades but it can also be used as a weight to hold something in place by virtue of its weight. It wasn't designed to do that but is still does it. Youtube is full of Life-Hacks for using tools to do things that they weren't designed for.

[jackamus]

3 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Once. In just one topic. In Feature Requests.

I've taken your advice Walt and posted it on Feature requests referring to the exchange of views, but this would not be the first time I've done that.

I even got into correspondence with one of the developers and Patrick Conner but got nowhere. If I remember the excuse wast that it reduced 'screen-clutter'. If tat was the case it reduced screen clutter for less than a second. Wow that's what I call real time saving for people is a hurry to get a job done.

[Old Bruce]

38 minutes ago, jackamus said:

What is the purpose of a bounding box and its handles?

To allow us to grab onto the handles and scale, rotate and shear the object. There is no snapping happening at the handles. It may appear that there is but there isn't, hence my comment about how there would be absolutely no advantage to having the bounding box visible.

[jackamus]

31 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

To give you a visually feedback that it is now the selected active object, the handles to indicate to you that you can grab these in order to alter/manipulate that object (move, resize, rotate, skew, delete ... etc.)! - A Guide is another/different helper object related to the canvas & rulers, but which isn't directly associated with other on screen drawn objects (like shapes/curves). In order to get some intersection association between on screen drawn/shown objects and dragged guides Snapping has to be activated and used.

So to sum up in short, guides are independent objects and are selectable independently by themself, their ownly loose coupling are rulers. An association between guides and drawn objects is performed via the snapping functionality.

Well it looks like I've discovered something useful that nobody else has ever spotted before and because it doesn't follow the rules it isn't allowed to be considered.

Check out my forum signature about what rules are for.

[v_kyr]

1 minute ago, jackamus said:

I agree Walt but a bonus on top of all that is to be able to move a guide without it disappearing.

See my above add-on about being completely seperate selectable objects and not being directly associated. - A guide when selected/used indicates this via it's left-right move cursor, some on screen drawn objects via their bounding box instead.

Internally/technically both (... a guide, and for examle a drawn rect) do get and have an own independent event handler when selected, they (guide & rect) don't join their event states. The Snapping mechanism when activated, polls continiously if some intersection between an guide and a rect may take place and in case this happens offers the magnetic intersection behavior of both of those objects.

[walt.farrell]

8 hours ago, jackamus said:

The way I would do this is to drag a vertical guide to the centre of A then another guide to the centre of C and then group A and C and drag another guide to the group centre and centre B on it.

I'm not taking the time to reread this thread to see if this has been mentioned before, in this way. But going back to the beginning: You were already planning on Grouping. And somehow (how? I don't understand that.) you were going to drag "another guide to the group center".

As long as you're Grouping anyway the Guides are unnecessary. Just Group them, then drag B so it's centered, using Snapping. That saves you time, as you don't need to drag any Guides. Just let Snapping do the job it's intended for.

[Old Bruce]

1 minute ago, jackamus said:

Well it looks like I've discovered something useful that nobody else has ever spotted before and because it doesn't follow the rules it isn't allowed to be considered.

What useful thing have you discovered?

Genuinely interested, I love learning new tricks.

[v_kyr]

3 minutes ago, jackamus said:

Well it looks like I've discovered something useful that nobody else has ever spotted before and because it doesn't follow the rules it isn't allowed to be considered.

If it's useful for many people too here, then why not. - If you think it would be a good general add-on feature to have on demand, then post such a request for that into the forums feature request section! - Finally the Affinity usability & dev team has to decide here about that, as users we can only make requests!

[jackamus]

41 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

What useful thing have you discovered?

Genuinely interested, I love learning new tricks.

What I discovered was that it would be extremely useful to me to be able to move a guide without a bounding disappearing but I can't do that.

I would like to hear people say, "Wow that's a good idea". But all I get is it can still be done by doing some extra moves or changing settings or your not following the rules!

[jackamus]

40 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

If it's useful for many people too here, then why not. - If you think it would be a good general add-on feature to have on demand, then post such a request for that into the forums feature request section! - Finally the Affinity usability & dev team has to decide here about that, as users we can only make requests!

Been there done that!

[lepr]

12 minutes ago, jackamus said:

I would like to hear people say, "Wow that's a good idea".

Maybe nobody except jackamus wants development resources spent on changing the app to match the expectations of jackamus.

[jackamus]

 

I'm sure that could said of pretty much every new feature request that is made that someone else thinks id unimportant! Every request is thought to be useful by the person that makes it. Don't you think that is reasonable of them?

Your remark is so obvious that I'm surprised that you even bothered to waste your time sending it.

[lepr]

6 minutes ago, jackamus said:

Your remark is so obvious that I'm surprised that you even bothered to waste your time sending it.

But I sent it because I love chatting with you.

[jackamus]

17 minutes ago, N.P.M. said:

Maybe an indication as of how important it is.
But please Serif add it, so we can be done with this request.
Oh, be aware I will come haunting you for the thousands of overlapping bounding boxes that will appear when selecting a Layer or group.
 

 

Drag a guide to the minor axis of this ellipse.

BTW I've got all the snapping options open except snap to margins the 2 pixel options.

guides 2.afdesign

[jackamus]

Thanks for the 3 videos. That was a lot of work just to drag a guide to the ellipse! Far too many cursor movements and mouse clicks when all that was needed was for the selected ellipse bounding box to remain visible whilst dragging a guide. Whilst the ellipse is selected the bounding box is visible - it only disappears momentarily whilst dragging a guide and then appears again!

All you are doing is trying to justify another more complicated way to do that which would be simple if the bounding just remained visible.

[walt.farrell]

4 hours ago, jackamus said:

Whilst the ellipse is selected the bounding box is visible - it only disappears momentarily whilst dragging a guide and then appears again!

But with Snapping enabled it doesn't matter that it disappears. A Guide will still snap to the minor axis, just as you want.

[jackamus]

Hi Walt, Yes I know that but you still have to jump through a few hoops to get there. I keep saying it wouldn't be a problem if the box didn't disappear each time. Also by changing the snapping settings you may remove previous snapping preferences.