Manual in Dutch

[wim]

Is er een Word-bestand met de Engelstalige handleiding van Affinity Photo en Affinity Designer? Stel dat dit in Word is gedaan en in een pdf is gemaakt. zolang ik het kan vertalen en indien nodig kan wijzigen. Serif maakt geen handleiding in de taal voor de Nederlandse gebruiker.

Is there a Word file with the English manual of Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer?  Assume this was done in Word and made into a PDF.  So that I can translate it and make a change if necessary.  Serif does not make a manual in that language for the Dutch user.

[MikeTO]

On 2/1/2023 at 7:47 AM, wim said:

Is er een Word-bestand met de Engelstalige handleiding van Affinity Photo en Affinity Designer? Stel dat dit in Word is gedaan en in een pdf is gemaakt. zolang ik het kan vertalen en indien nodig kan wijzigen. Serif maakt geen handleiding in de taal voor de Nederlandse gebruiker.

Is there a Word file with the English manual of Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer?  Assume this was done in Word and made into a PDF.  So that I can translate it and make a change if necessary.  Serif does not make a manual in that language for the Dutch user.

Hi Wim, there isn't a document you can download to translate, Serif makes the documentation available only as HTML.

[wim]

Zijn Nederlanders minder dan Duitsers, Fransen of Italianen?

Are the Dutch less than the Germans, French or Italians?

[RNKLN]

 

5 minutes ago, wim said:

Are the Dutch less than the Germans, French or Italians?

Probably not, but for a company which has to make an economical decision there's a difference between a language spoken by 100M people vs one spoken by 24M people.

[Pšenda]

1 minute ago, RNKLN said:

but for a company which has to make an economical decision there's a difference between a language spoken

I think that for a company that has to sell its sw, it is not important how many people "speak" what language, but how many people will buy their product.

[PaulEC]

2 hours ago, wim said:

Are the Dutch less than the Germans, French or Italians?

Bluntly, in terms of the number of speakers, and consequentially, the number of likely customers: yes!

I'm sure it's not a matter of wanting to "slight" any particular nationality, but it's the same problem as people who ask for support for RTL languages! These things may come in time, but it's a matter of prioritising (especially for smaller companies, with limited resources) between spending development time (and therefore money) on providing features for a (comparatively) small number of users, or working on improvements and bug fixes to benefit the vast majority. 

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, N.P.M. said:

I think Serif could have implemented a textfile based UI where users could translate the functions and the software could be set to read this file.
This could also apply to the helpfiles.
The helpfiles are now contained through iframes and one cannot download it as a manual to store or even have it translated for personal use.
If there was some kind of wiki system, knowledgeable users could translate and put up articles with common problems or resources in any language.

I think Serif has already commented on this - they are not open source or community sw, so they bear full responsibility for everything (including errors in UI and help translations).

[Red Falcon]

On 3/3/2023 at 12:04 PM, RNKLN said:

 

Probably not, but for a company which has to make an economical decision there's a difference between a language spoken by 100M people vs one spoken by 24M people.

A yes? And why are Lightroom, Photoshop, ON1 PhotoRAW and Skylum luminar Neo in Dutch? If these firms make the effort to translate, it will be to enlarge their sales area.
Your reasoning makes NO sense!

[v_kyr]

17 minutes ago, Red Falcon said:

A yes? And why are Lightroom, Photoshop, ON1 PhotoRAW and Skylum luminar Neo in Dutch?

Since Adobe has ~26,000 employees worldwide, and Serif has ~82 (though I do not know for sure if that answer Google gave is still valid and correct).

[walt.farrell]

2 minutes ago, Red Falcon said:

Your reasoning makes NO sense!

Serif makes their decisions based on

 1. what it would cost them directly (immediately) to implement something, and

2. what it would cost them indirectly immediately (they can't do everything, so each thing they do may mean there's something else they can't do), and 

3. what it would cost them indirectly over the long term, and

4. how many additional sales would result if they implement it. 

They know how much a new translation would cost directly (#1). And they know how much each one costs indirectly over the long term (#3, maintaining the translation as new functions are implemented). 

They also know the effects of #2, because they know what new functions (if any) they would have to omit while developing a new transition. 

All those can be quantified reasonably accurately. #4 is harder to quantify, especially given that they will have some amount of sales in a region just based on the languages they already provide.

But in any case, it is Serif's decision how to spend their money.

 

19 minutes ago, Red Falcon said:

And why are Lightroom, Photoshop, ON1 PhotoRAW and Skylum luminar Neo in Dutch? If these firms make the effort to translate, it will be to enlarge their sales area.

That's true. And it would probably enlarge sales for Serif, too. But would the added sales make up for the costs associated with #1, #2, and #3 above? 

Only Serif knows, and they've made their decision, for now at least.

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, v_kyr said:

Since Adobe has ~26,000 employees worldwide,

... and also charges a significantly higher price for its products, so it makes money for other translations (users of Adobe products have paid handsomely for it).

[Andreas Scherer]

On 3/2/2023 at 4:51 PM, MikeTO said:

Serif makes the documentation available only as HTML.

And it seems quite legible from what I find under /Applications/Affinity\ Designer.app/Contents/Resources/AffinityDesigner.help/Contents/Resources/de.lproj/pages/ (on Mac).

Not that I suggest to use any of the *.lproj subtrees as the starting point for a local(e) translation.

[Steef]

I am dutch and since a couple of weeks Affinity Photo 2 user. The best way to learn the program is trying yourself to learn the use of Affinity Photo. Once you find out yourself  how things work you"l never forget it. The build-in help support is very usefull on that.

Very helpfull is also a manual in dutch language written by Bob Timroff  "Affinity Photo 2" isbn 9789463562973 Price: € 29.99 (There is also a Photo V 1 edition)

Btw: i am not (yet ) registerd, have been to busy with photo editing so far. 

[MikeTO]

FYI I made a Dutch version of my Affinity Special Characters chart:

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/176386-special-characters-in-affinity-quick-reference-chart/