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Dear specialists,
I am writing a book with double pages. All have the same master page. There is a text frame on each page (means two textframe per double page)  (please PNP-MM.jpg.4ead0810118bbd4e7987ea2994840ed0.jpgsee image).
Unfortunately, the following left page gets the same page numbering as the right page of the previous page.
I've tried all combinations, but I can't seem to get it right. But I'm also still a beginner. Maybe you can help me. Thanks very much!

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Hard to say without seeing the document but in Document > Section Manager there is an option to Restart Page Numbering at...

You may want to check the Section Manager to see if anything looks out of place in there

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It might also help to see the Master Page.

But in the end we might need to see a sample document; just the first few pages, assuming this is working consistently from the start. And if it's not working consistently from the start, where did it start failing, and what is different about that spot?

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Which field entries did you use for the page numbers on their master page?

Does your screenshot show single pages or facing pages of two-page spreads? I wonder because it doesn't display the typical gray line in the spline.

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Thank you everyone for responding so quickly.
I probably have a logic problem.
My master page consists of two text frames. Each of these text frames should have its own page number. That's why I've now put the 'previous frame page number' in the field for the page number. But he doesn't count on the right side? In this case, both sides receive the page number 238
If I use the 'Subsequent frame page number' on the right side, I get the page number 240. But 239 would be correct.
If I use the "number of pages" I get 123, which corresponds to the number of double pages. I'm confused :)
Maybe you have another tip.
Many thanks and greetings from Berlin

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I think the problem is that you do not have a facing pages document. In other words each of the two pages is one page, not two. Make a new document with the page set up as portrait orientation and have them half the size of your current document.

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Thanks, but unfortunately, I can't change this layout that I have two book pages on one "AFFINITY page" because  it is so prescribed by the first part.
What I would be interested in is:
What is actually the difference between a normal page number and a frame page number.
Does the frame page number count the number of frames continuously, or what is it used for?
Thank you and have a nice weekend!

 

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20 minutes ago, pirx124 said:

unfortunately, I can't change this layout that I have two book pages on one "AFFINITY page" because  it is so prescribed by the first part.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, nor why it would make a difference. Can you provide more information? 

21 minutes ago, pirx124 said:

What is actually the difference between a normal page number and a frame page number.

A Page Number is the number of the current page. 

The Next Frame Page Number is the page number of the next linked text frame on the sequence of linked frames. And similar for the Previous Frame Page Number. You would use these for cross-references between linked frames on different pages.

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46 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:
1 hour ago, pirx124 said:

What is actually the difference between a normal page number and a frame page number.

A Page Number is the number of the current page. 

The Next Frame Page Number is the page number of the next linked text frame on the sequence of linked frames.

No, the use of "Frame" in the interface for setting Page Numbers is just confusingly misleading … and your response accordingly.

A page number can be set in Affinity within 1 frame on the same page as previous, current and subsequent. You just need to place the according fields in a text frame:

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But I agree, Serif seems to have had in mind that usually every page number has its own frame. Nevertheless, this thought is irrelevant and especially the idea the user would have page number frames linked like a text flow appears odd.

Alternatively Serif could just have named the menu commands for Page Numbering respectively the Fields Panel labels without mentioning "Frame" at all but "Page", number of current, previous and next page, like we "naturally" talk about them.

@pirx124, like Walt I wonder what exactly can prevent you from using a document layout with "physically" 2-facing-pages spreads. In case "it is so prescribed" that the exported file must not show single pages but spreads only, note that you can export either as single or as facing pages spreads from a 2-page-spread layout document.

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1 hour ago, thomaso said:

Alternatively Serif could just have named the menu commands for Page Numbering respectively the Fields Panel labels without mentioning "Frame" at all but "Page", number of current, previous and next page, like we "naturally" talk about them.

But the Frame ones really are about the frames, not just the pages.

For example, setup a three page document. On each page draw a text frame. In each frame add the field Page Number.

Next, link the frames on page 1 and 3. In the frame on page 1 add the field Next Frame Page Number. You will see that it's value is 3, not 2.

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2 hours ago, pirx124 said:

Thanks, but unfortunately, I can't change this layout that I have two book pages on one "AFFINITY page" because  it is so prescribed by the first part.
...

If you are absolutely married to having two pages on one page instead of using two page spreads there is nothing anyone can do for you.

You could define a Page number Paragraph Style for the page numbers which uses the Flow option of starting in the next frame then link all the text frames for the page numbers. Make a text file with page numbers, one on each line of the text file, and place that into the first page. They will flow one per frame throughout the document.

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2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

But the Frame ones really are about the frames, not just the pages.

Wow, thanks for pointing this out. – Can you tell an idea for a use case of this frame related aspect of page numbering?

Samples below: In the order previous-current-next it appears still odd to me that it can result on 1 page in 3 different combinations, for instance the last digits on the top right page in the center row of the three columns:

one frame: 4-5-6
three frames: 5-5-5
3 frms 2 pgs: 5-5-7

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41 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Wow, thanks for pointing this out. – Can you tell an idea for a use case of this frame related aspect of page numbering?

Sure. You have an article on page 3 that runs out of room and is continued on page 5 (or 6, 7, 23, 58, whatever). You can put "Continued on page <Next Frame Page Number>" at the end of the article's text frame on page 3, and you get the number of where it continues automatically filled in.

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37 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Sure. You have an article on page 3 that runs out of room and is continued on page 5 (or 6, 7, 23, 58, whatever). You can put "Continued on page <Next Frame Page Number>" at the end of the article's text frame on page 3, and you get the number of where it continues automatically filled in.

Thank you very much. Now I understand the idea of this variables

 

41 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Sure. You have an article on page 3 that runs out of room and is continued on page 5 (or 6, 7, 23, 58, whatever). You can put "Continued on page <Next Frame Page Number>" at the end of the article's text frame on page 3, and you get the number of where it continues automatically filled in.

 Many thanks to walt.farell for the explanations. Now I understand the meaning of these variables... and that they are of no use to me :))
I "only" need a counter for the number of frames. Maybe there will be in the next version !! Warm regards from Berlin and have a nice sunday! 

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25 minutes ago, pirx124 said:

I "only" need a counter for the number of frames. Maybe there will be in the next version !! Warm regards from Berlin and have a nice sunday! 

Again, please explain why you can't simply use Facing Pages, rather than a single wider page with two text frames.

The effect should be almost identical, for any purpose I can think of.

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9 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Again, please explain why you can't simply use Facing Pages, rather than a single wider page with two text frames.

The effect should be almost identical, for any purpose I can think of.

The problem is that the first part of the book was made up by a professional using an Adobe program. He created this format with the two pages on one physical page. That's why I adopted this format for the second part in order to have less work. so I can focus on the layout of the second part. If I were to reformat everything to this one-page format, the risk seems to be quite high, since e.g. his pictures are not anchored in the text as affinity needs it.

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17 minutes ago, pirx124 said:

He created this format with the two pages on one physical page.

A Facing Page document can do that. Just set the document page size to 1/2 the width of your current page, and set it to facing pages. You might also need to set it to start on the left.

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19 hours ago, pirx124 said:

The problem is that the first part of the book was made up by a professional using an Adobe program. He created this format with the two pages on one physical page.

This is just my opinion but that method does not sound like professional work.

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20 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

This is just my opinion...

Mine too! I'm intrigued about just how easy(!) it will be to print it correctly! (Assuming that is the intension.)

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2 minutes ago, pirx124 said:

This idea was supposed to allow a picture to span two pages. 

You can do that with a Facing Page document:

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8 minutes ago, pirx124 said:

This idea was supposed to allow a picture to span two pages. 

"Allows"? – What prevents from using images for identical layouts on 2-facing-page spreads?

(Do you really assume magazines, artbooks, map-books / atlases etc use your method with single pages + manual page numbering?)

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12 minutes ago, thomaso said:

(Do you really assume magazines, artbooks, map-books / atlases etc use your method with single pages + manual page numbering?)

In all fairness it is not pirx124's method but the original person's method who laid out the first part. And way, way back in the day everything was done with manual page numbering. I shudder remembering my time laying out newspapers on flats and getting the page numbers right.

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1 hour ago, Old Bruce said:

In all fairness it is not pirx124's method but the original person's method who laid out the first part. And way, way back in the day everything was done with manual page numbering. I shudder remembering my time laying out newspapers on flats and getting the page numbers right.

Indeed, not the OP's initial setup but the decision to continue this way. – Your mentioned "manual page numbering": Was that before DTP, in layouts with paper & film? Though I used an early PageMaker and ID's first versions I can't remember but also I can hardly imagine they did not offer auto page numbers (counting sth., e.g. pages, is technically no big deal, right?). Although page numbers aren't mentioned in the ID feature list for versions 1.0 and 1.5 they seem to got improved use twenty years ago in ID 2.0 (2002) with e.g. the Book feature, TOC, Index and Hyperlinks, which quite likely based on / required auto page numbers to work correctly. InDesign_New_Features_1.0–CC.pdf

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Also nice to see nowadays is this PageMaker demo from 34 years ago (1988). Though there are no literally mentioned auto page numbers, too, the 2-page spread option seems to be developed for multi page media (brochures, books) while the tiny symbols near the page bottom seem to indicate auto page numbers for these auto generated pages.

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