AI picture generators urgently required

[dcr]

The use of AI to create (as opposed to manipulate) images is intriguing, but until the rights issues are actually sorted out, it's more for hobbyists and personal use than commercial use.  If I take a photo or draw an illustration or otherwise create an image, that is mine (unless it was a work for hire or something) to do with as I please.  I can sell prints, mugs, t-shirts, etc.  I can use it on a book cover or license it to a stock image site.

Similarly, if I need an image of a cup of coffee, and cannot create it myself, I can hire someone to do it or license an image from a stock image site.  In those cases, there would be some agreement covering what I can and cannot do with the image.  For example, I may only need it to use in a magazine article or blog post to accompany an article about coffee drinking.  If I want to sell mugs with the image, I will likely need a separate (and more expensive) license.  Regardless, all those are things that can be worked out because the original artist holds the copyright and they can license it to me or a stock image site who in turn can license it to me and so on.

But with AI generated art, at the moment, there is no clarity.  If the AI has "studied" copyrighted images, is the result a derivative work?  Who can copyright an AI generated image?  Can it be protected by copyright?  If so, if someone else generates a similar image to what you have already copyrighted, can you prevent them from using it?  There are no answers right now which limits how you might want to use such an image.  To accompany a blog post, maybe it's okay, but if you need to be able to own or otherwise control the art, it's not usable right now.

And, if it's not commercially usable, Serif probably shouldn't waste time adding it because who knows which way the rights will be legally defined in the future.  The future rights decisions may make it a feature few people will want to use.  For the same reason, while there are some good reasons for an API or SDK to be available, this is not yet one of them, IMHO.

[nickbatz]

37 minutes ago, dcr said:

The use of AI to create (as opposed to manipulate) images is intriguing, but until the rights issues are actually sorted out,

 

Similarly, if I need an image of a cup of coffee, and cannot create it myself, I can hire someone to do it or license an image from a stock image site.

The copyright issues will need sorting out, but to me the issue is using machines to create "art."

Why do people have a need for artistic expression in the first place?

But as to copyright... well, I have to give you credit for using coffee as an analogy rather than cars.

Really, how are you going to calculate royalty payments when these services have every image on the Internet in their databases? With prescription drugs you can criticize the whole concept of copyrights in general, i.e. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for sick people to finance drug development. But IP is quite different from prescription drugs (and coffee).

[drstreit]

I honestly dont expect IP will be much of an issue soon: You can easily train a model to generate concepts with another model checking the result (GAN). That way, you create a model that will create photorealistic images of everything without being fed any real world images.

More effort, but totally doable.

Better concentrate on the fact that everybody WILL have access to such tools, and they WILL create and modify images without any technical skills needed. 

And hopefully these tools will also come from Serif.

[nickbatz]

21 hours ago, drstreit said:

Better concentrate on the fact that everybody WILL have access to such tools, and they WILL create and modify images without any technical skills needed. 

My answer is that no machine could possibly do what I do.

[drstreit]

Adobe just announced that they will integrate AI generated content into all of their products as an standard tool: https://www.adobe.com/sensei/generative-ai/firefly.html

So I repeat my plea here: Serif, move it and be fast about it.

This "we have a timeline that is inflexible" is the Kodak way, please react to an industry trend that will be THE defining topic in content creation for the next years.

[nickbatz]

11 hours ago, drstreit said:

Adobe just announced that they will integrate AI generated content into all of their products as an standard tool: https://www.adobe.com/sensei/generative-ai/firefly.html

So I repeat my plea here: Serif, move it and be fast about it.

This "we have a timeline that is inflexible" is the Kodak way, please react to an industry trend that will be THE defining topic in content creation for the next years.

See, my reaction is that this crap is yet another reason to use Affinity products instead.

 

[drstreit]

1 hour ago, nickbatz said:

See, my reaction is that this crap is yet another reason to use Affinity products instead.

 

Check at least the one pager where they showcase some things Firefly will deliver at start. And then tell me, that this will not make you more productive.

Or dont. And be out of jobs because others ARE more productive.

My concern is, that they will loose the small market slice they have when they keep sleeping 😴. Would be a shame.

 

[pixelstuff]

8 minutes ago, drstreit said:

Check at least the one pager where they showcase some things Firefly will deliver at start. And then tell me, that this will not make you more productive.

Or dont. And be out of jobs because others ARE more productive.

My concern is, that they will loose the small market slice they have when they keep sleeping 😴. Would be a shame.

 

I would bet the majority of Affinity users are primarily here because they don't want to pay Adobe a monthly subscription. I doubt they will suddenly change their position just to get AI image generation built directly into the app. Most will likely have no problem waiting for the technology to mature and stabilize a bit before being integrated into the Affinity software.

Affinity still isn't' up to feature parity on some of the more simple tools that Adobe has like perspective crop.

Whatever audience they lose because of not being an early adopter of A.I. will be super tiny.

[nickbatz]

3 hours ago, pixelstuff said:

I would bet the majority of Affinity users are primarily here because they don't want to pay Adobe a monthly subscription.

Could be, although I bought my Affinity Photo license without even realizing that it was a Photoshop alternative.

AI is a filthy word to me. Machine learning to help with edits or something, great. It's the whole idea of text to "art" that makes me sick.

And frankly I don't understand why so few people even stop to think about what this incel techbro garbage actually means.

[ffrm]

I'd like to reiterate my preference for an sdk over direct integration.  I understand smaller teams are strapped for time.  Give us a way to access a network resource and your community will do the work.  As a software eng myself I'd have already made an automatic1111 plugin by now if it had been possible.

I also believe the generative tools are changing too quickly for small teams to really respond well.  Affinity has a loyal base that should be tapped!

I'm not a full time artist but I'm happily enjoying a new relationship with the visual arts thanks to stable diffusion.

[pixelstuff]

55 minutes ago, ffrm said:

I'd like to reiterate my preference for an sdk over direct integration.

Don't they already support Photoshop Plugins?

[ffrm]

Last I heard you needed a Photoshop license to be able to develop for it, which is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.  If I'm wrong I'm happy to start on that right away.