DanM. Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Hi All, I have designed a book manuscript in AF Publisher and a book cover in AF Designer. Does anyone if the procedure for embedding text is the same for both? I've tried clicking all of the correct items in the setup (embedded preferred) as well as the "more" menu (embed fonts/All), but KDP keep informing me that my fonts weren't embedded properly in my PDF, so they did it for me. If anyone has information on this, I'd appreciate it, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff stokerg Posted August 3, 2022 Staff Share Posted August 3, 2022 Hi @DanM., Do you have any more information about the error from KDP? As long as you are setting the Embed Fonts option to All, then the fonts will be embedded into the PDF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 What fonts have the problem? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM. Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 Hi Walt and stokerg, My book cover has a PNG background graphic with 2 art images and text on top of it (art images and text are on same layer). The 2 images I'm using are transparencies. I've also tried this book cover by changing all images to .svg format. The font I'm using is called "Lorin", which is available as a TT or O font Type. When exporting, I'm choosing 1. Press Ready, All Fonts (Embed fonts). I've been unclicking on "Subset Fonts", "Allow Advanced Features" and Embed ICC Profile, because 'm not sure what they do, although I've also tried exporting with all of these checked, just to see if it helps. KDP recommends "flattening" all layers into one PDF image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, DanM. said: The font I'm using is called "Lorin", which is available as a TT or O font Type. Do you have the TTF version or the OTF version installed? (Strange things can happen if you have both installed at the same time.) Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM. Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 It looks like both font versions (TTF and OTF) are installed, should I remove one of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 3 hours ago, DanM. said: It looks like both font versions (TTF and OTF) are installed, should I remove one of them? Yes. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM. Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 Does it matter which one is installed, TTF or OTF? Is one generally better than the other for embedding and PDF export? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I don't know if it matters, or not. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Basically: TTF is older and more widely supported. (EDIT: Having said that, I don't think there are any modern apps that don't support OTF nowadays!) OTF generally has more advanced typesetting features and often includes embellishments like ligatures and alternate characters. Personally, given the choice, I always use OTF. Old Bruce and walt.farrell 1 1 Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, PaulEC said: Basically: TTF is older and more widely supported. (EDIT: Having said that, I don't think there are any modern apps that don't support OTF nowadays!) OTF generally has more advanced typesetting features and often includes embellishments like ligatures and alternate characters. Personally, given the choice, I always use OTF. Please see: https://www.high-logic.com/font-editor/fontcreator/tutorials/the-difference-between-truetype-and-opentype-fonts MEB 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 4 hours ago, PaulEC said: OTF generally has more advanced typesetting features and often includes embellishments like ligatures and alternate characters. There is no difference in features between OpenType-TT (.ttf) and OpenType-PS (.otf). In older original TrueType fonts that may be true. But for this font, both versions are OpenType. This is the case for most fonts now. 13 hours ago, DanM. said: Does it matter which one is installed, TTF or OTF? Is one generally better than the other for embedding and PDF export? TTF and OTF are embedded differently in PDFs. And right now there appears to be less issues with TTF. Your issue may be related to the embedding permissions in this font. Please test the TTF fonts (after you a have un-installed the OTF fonts) and let us know how that goes. I seem to remember an issue with the particular setting used in this font. On my phone at the moment so I cannot test. If you still have issues we can change the setting to test (later today when I am back at my computer). lacerto and Alfred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, LibreTraining said: There is no difference in features between OpenType-TT (.ttf) and OpenType-PS (.otf) Thanks for this, I'm obviously a bit out of date! I'm now rather puzzled by why some fonts are provided as both .ttf and .otf as it would appear that there is no practical difference between them? Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, PaulEC said: I'm now rather puzzled by why some fonts are provided as both .ttf and .otf as it would appear that there is no practical difference between them? For most uses there is no practical difference. So many people have heard the same nonsense repeated over and over that it has become "common knowledge" even though it is wrong. In one article linked to here recently as evidence, the author actually compared an old TrueType font (not OpenType-TT) to an OpenType-PS font - ridiculous. And the "PostScript curves are better" blah, blah, blah argument. Lucas de Groot (who created Calibri) did a talk at Typo Labs 2018 where he compared using PS curves to using TT curves for various contours on different glyphs. The score was about even as to which type of curve was better in the different cases. This is from someone who actually knows, using the actual tools, not someone regurgitating some biased nonsense they read online about curves math in a theoretical setting. Real world font design is different. There are a few use cases where there is a valid reason to use PS fonts. 99.99% of the time the user does not know what these are. Some are related to typical uses/workflow, and some are to work around bugs in software and hardware. But most of the time the blanket "OTF fonts are better" is just ignorance. For those that say they look better, I have offered to put both versions on a page and have the person tell me which one is which - no takers so far. And then there is the web fonts arena where nearly 100% are OpenType-TT. Commercial font vendors stay out of the discussion and provide both. What ever makes the customers happy. So you are not alone in the confusion. 🙂 Kelly Bellis, PaulEC, lacerto and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 @DanM. I just tested Export to PDF using the original OTF fonts and it worked fine - with and without sub-setting. So your issue is probably just because you had both formats of the fonts installed and that confused the application on Export to PDF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM. Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 Font versions can be confusing, thanks to all who responded to this with information and links, I'm back at my desktop today and going to start by removing the TTF Font that I'm using and see how how OTF responds to embedding, then, I might try the TTF and do the same. I'll post the results when I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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