f-stop Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Hello. I wonder if anyone might have an answer to this. I have been working on a photo where I need to have the noise filter added, which I do with no problem. The problem occurs when I export it as a Jpeg to up load. The filter is not exported as well. I have tried getting it to "stick" by using develop persona, by placing it at different points in the line-up but every time I export, gone! Is there a trick to this? I admit I haven't tried printing it, but I don't want to print - I need to upload to another location. If anyone can suggest anything to try I will be most grateful. Thanks a lot, Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 @f-stop When using the noise filter try viewing at 100% (Mac: CMD + 9) or (Win: CTRL+9) and then apply the noise filter. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Hi and thanks for replying. I tried what you suggested but as soon as I exported to jpeg, the filteration was lost. It makes no difference whether I save before I export or not. Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 How much noise are you adding? What level of compression are you using? Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, f-stop said: The problem occurs when I export it as a Jpeg to up load. My guess is that the lossy compression inherent in standard JPEG files is filtering out most or all of the added noise. Try exporting at the maximum quality level to see if that makes any difference. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Hi all. Well I have been trying again. I have done the following exports: Resampling at Bilinear, Lanczos 3 seperable and non-seperable. I have done all of the Jpeg qualities and each one has the same result. No noise! Either I'm missing something or it's just not going to work, which is annoying because it is the whole point of the work. Any other ideas anyone? Thanks Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Try adding way more noise than you actually want (to a copy of your picture) then see what it looks like when you export it. I suspect the noise will be there, but less than you expect. Also, it looks like you have a lot of layers/adjustments, try flattening the image before you export it. It might also be worth flattening it before adding the noise filter. Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, PaulEC said: Try adding way more noise than you actually want (to a copy of your picture) then see what it looks like when you export it. I suspect the noise will be there, but less than you expect. Also, it looks like you have a lot of layers/adjustments, try flattening the image before you export it. It might also be worth flattening it before adding the noise filter. Thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid that didn't work either. I even tried merging the image and it's filter layer before exporting with the same result. The filter is not carried forward with the image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 A basic question, but how are you adding the noise? / What settings are you using? Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, PaulEC said: A basic question, but how are you adding the noise? / What settings are you using? That's okay. I'm no expert at this. I'm adding the noise by using the filter layer. If I use the non layer filteration, as soon as I hit apply, it disappears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron P. Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 What type of photo are you applying the noise to? RAW, TIFF, JPG? What all have you done to the photo in relation to contrast, tones, color? Can you upload your aphoto file so it can be examined to see what the problem might be? Quote Affinity Photo 2.5..; Affinity Designer 2.5..; Affinity Publisher 2.5..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, f-stop said: That's okay. I'm no expert at this. I'm adding the noise by using the filter layer. If I use the non layer filteration, as soon as I hit apply, it disappears. Could you upload a screen shot including the Add Noise settings box and your image (something like the attached)? - Showing the settings that you're using. Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 Hi. Sorry for the delay. Power cut at the wrong moment! Here's the screen shot. I can send you the actual file if that's better. I've tried merging all layers prior to export and not merging. In any event the new image looses the noise filter. I've also tried varying intensities of noise but all have the same result. It's probably me being stupid but I'm grateful for any assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I can't see anything wrong with your settings, I've tried to duplicate your layers and when I export as a jpg the noise stays as it should. The only thing I would say is that when you view the picture at full size the effect is much less than when you look at it set to fit on the screen. The only other thing that I can suggest is that you upload it as an Affinity file (to keep all the layers as you want them) and I'll try saving it as a jpg and see what happens. Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h_d Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 You're viewing the image at 18% (approx one-fifth its actual size). Press Ctrl-1 (for Windows) and then increase the noise as required: This is 18% with your noise settings: And this is 100% with the same settings. PaulEC 1 Quote Affinity Photo 2.5.3, Affinity Designer 2.5.3, Affinity Publisher 2.5.3, Mac OSX 14.5, 2018 MacBook Pro 15" Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, PaulEC said: I can't see anything wrong with your settings, I've tried to duplicate your layers and when I export as a jpg the noise stays as it should. The only thing I would say is that when you view the picture at full size the effect is much less than when you look at it set to fit on the screen. The only other thing that I can suggest is that you upload it as an Affinity file (to keep all the layers as you want them) and I'll try saving it as a jpg and see what happens. Hi PaulEC. I've uploaded the file to see if you can make anything of it. I'm running on Windows 10 at 64bit and I've just updated to Affinity 1.9 so everything should be right. I don't remember having had this problem before when I've used live filter layers. All very strange. Many thanks again for your help. P1010086_Ancient_&_Modern.afphoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I've attached two files, one with the noise filter and the other without. They may look as though they are the same, but if you look at them as h_d suggested, especially at a fairly plain part of the picture, you will see that it is there. Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-stop Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 Got it! Like I said, it's me being stupid. I'm really grateful to all concerned with the assistance you've given. Many thanks Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEC Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 No problem. If you want a stronger effect than you're getting with the Add Noise filter, you could try Googling for noise or grunge overlays, put that on top of your picture and play around with the various blend modes, opacity and levels adjustments. (This is a bit over the top, but you get the idea!) Quote Acer XC-895 : Core i5-10400 Hexa-core 2.90 GHz : 32GB RAM : Intel UHD Graphics 630 : Windows 10 Home Affinity Publisher 2 : Affinity Photo 2 : Affinity Designer 2 : (latest release versions) on desktop and iPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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