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Hi! I'm having a problem with my workflow because oftentimes the color that register in the software is more saturated than when viewed in Photoshop or when exported. Is there anyway to tone down and match the colors for the two softwares? 

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ICC profile in OS? 


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Also please confirm what OS you're using, and show us the OS color setting for your monitor.

Also: Neither of those screenshots look, to me, like they're from Affinity applications, at least not on Mac or Windows. Am I confused?


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Oh apologies! I am using Mac OS my monitor color settings are sRGB IEC61966 2.1 this is also my color profile for Photoshop and Affinity but Affinity display is more saturated. However, when exported they are less saturated just like in Photoshop. 

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First: Why don’t you give us the file? Doesn’t seem to be that secret …

Second: You write „I am using Mac OS my monitor color settings are sRGB IEC61966 2.1 this is also my color profile for Photoshop and Affinity“. This is a complete wrong workflow! Never use sRGB image profile as a monitor profile! In a different thread I wrote:

  • Make sure, that your monitor is set up/calibrated correctly (Attention: Many screens can’t be calibrated, but you can adjust colors, gamma, brightness, …). Apple has a quite effective tool for that in its „Monitors“ preferences panel).
  • Use your monitor profile for your individual screen (don’t simply use sRGB, because your monitor profile describes the individual deviations from sRGB).
  • If working with RGB images make sure, that they use the sRGB profile (AdobeRGB has a wider color spectrum, but this „plus" doesn’t make its way to print output). Don’t use your monitor profile for images!
  • If working with CMYK images, make sure that they use the same color profile as your final print output does (to avoid CMYK to CMYK conversion)
  • Use the CMYK profile, which your print provider recommends for your Publisher document and force Publisher’s output routines to convert the images into the recommended CMYK profile. (The last step isn’t really necessary, but recommended – especially, if the creator of the document isn’t definitely sure about what he is doing.)

More can’t be said, until we don’t have the source files (Affinity document, original image)

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2 hours ago, mac_heibu said:

Use your monitor profile for your individual screen (don’t simply use sRGB, because your monitor profile describes the individual deviations from sRGB).

While that should be true, it is a common recommendation from Serif staff in these forums to remove any custom ICC profile from the monitor settings and replace with sRGB to fix display color issues when using the Affinity applications.


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i read this comment from an Affinity team member too, Walt, but I didn‘t comment it, because I think it is normal, that nobody knows everything.

But definitely: A monitor profile contains all deviations of your specific monitor from „standard“ RGB. Deleting or not using this profile means that colors can‘t be displayed correctly on your monitor.

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Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080.
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On 9/12/2019 at 10:50 AM, mac_heibu said:

First: Why don’t you give us the file? Doesn’t seem to be that secret …

Second: You write „I am using Mac OS my monitor color settings are sRGB IEC61966 2.1 this is also my color profile for Photoshop and Affinity“. This is a complete wrong workflow! Never use sRGB image profile as a monitor profile! In a different thread I wrote:

  • Make sure, that your monitor is set up/calibrated correctly (Attention: Many screens can’t be calibrated, but you can adjust colors, gamma, brightness, …). Apple has a quite effective tool for that in its „Monitors“ preferences panel).
  • Use your monitor profile for your individual screen (don’t simply use sRGB, because your monitor profile describes the individual deviations from sRGB).
  • If working with RGB images make sure, that they use the sRGB profile (AdobeRGB has a wider color spectrum, but this „plus" doesn’t make its way to print output). Don’t use your monitor profile for images!
  • If working with CMYK images, make sure that they use the same color profile as your final print output does (to avoid CMYK to CMYK conversion)
  • Use the CMYK profile, which your print provider recommends for your Publisher document and force Publisher’s output routines to convert the images into the recommended CMYK profile. (The last step isn’t really necessary, but recommended – especially, if the creator of the document isn’t definitely sure about what he is doing.)

More can’t be said, until we don’t have the source files (Affinity document, original image)

I was trying to solve some issues with my edits looking as they have lower precision than my preview in Affinity Photo (version 1.8) when I export them in JPEG (8 bit RGB) or PNG (16 bit RGB) and I read your comments and links to better understand ICC profiles and Display calibration. 

From my understanding the only ICC profile that must be custom in a hobbyist's colour management workflow is the Display ICC which converts from stored rgb values to your display's rgb values taking into account its deviations from standard sRGB or wider colour gamut standards such as ProPhoto, AdobeRGB, etc. Besides that every other ICC profile should be the same, this means that the:

  • Affinity Photo (Edit->Preferences->Colour->(32bit) RGB Colour Profile = sRGB IEC61966-2.1)
  • Affinity Photo Document (Document -> Convert format/ICC profile -> Format = RGB/16, Profile = sRGB IEC61966-2.1)
  • export ICC (File->Export->More->ICC Profile =  sRGB IEC61966-2.1, Embed ICC Profile ticked)

Now, my problem is that when I edit my photo in AP the preview shows nice gradations between the black and gray on the laps, but when I export either in JPEG (8 bit RGB) or PNG (16 bit RGB) and I preview using the old Widows Photo Viewer (which I knew it is coloor managed) the gradations dissapear totally and I get this weird pixelated transitions between two shades of gray. 

Even more weird, is that if I open the JPEG and PNG file in AP, I they look identical to the preview of the AP document.

Could you please let me know what am I doing wrong? Am I preview-ing the images with the wrong software? 

P.S.

I am a total beginner to AP but I am engineer at heart :))

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15 hours ago, Daniel Tudosiu said:

Widows Photo Viewer (which I knew it is coloor managed)

Are you sure? So I would doubt a bit - the correct and consistent use of ICC profiles is not exactly a common feature of "previewing" applications.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=117152.0

 

15 hours ago, Daniel Tudosiu said:

the gradations dissapear totally and I get this weird pixelated transitions between two shades of gray. 

What exactly do you mind there? - Maybe it shows me differently, so I can't see it.


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1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

Are you sure? So I would doubt a bit - the correct and consistent use of ICC profiles is not exactly a common feature of "previewing" applications.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=117152.0

When I referred to Windows Photo Viewer I meant the old one (not the App), but upon further digging between when I posted the reply and now I found out that even that one is not perfect, so I ended up with digiKam's Showfoto app as a previewer which, after some testing, seems to be colour managed. 
 

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

What exactly do you mind there? - Maybe it shows me differently, so I can't see it.

There is no need, as after I exported in sRGB with AP and viewed in digiKam's Showfoto, the colors are rendered properly. At the end of the day I was using an unmanaged photo preview-ing app.

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