Photo & Publisher struggle with interoperability

[VectorCat]

I can open a raster image in photo from publisher, and make edits, but when I return to publisher, that layout document has been closed! Not sure what’s at play here. Any thoughts?

thank you

[walt.farrell]

It sounds like you're using Edit in Photo from Publisher, rather than using Publisher's Photo Persona.

In that case, I believe that you are not opening a raster image in Photo; you are opening the complete Publisher document in Photo. And any edits you make are editing the complete Publisher page containing the image.

But yes, Edit in Photo closes the document in Publisher, and reopens it in Photo. Someday (as users, we hope soon) Photo will gain an Edit in Publisher function, which will transfer the file back to Publisher.

StudioLink, and the Photo Persona in Publisher, were created to simplify that workflow. Instead of using Edit in Photo you can  just switch to the Photo Persona and keep working. Or, you can double-click on the raster image to open it in a new Publisher tab (or click Edit Document on the Context Toolbar when you have the image selected using the Move Tool.

But if I've misunderstood your workflow, sorry.

[VectorCat]

I guess so but I need to rubber stamp tool an image and when I go into photo persona i see none of the tools I need for adjusting the rubber stamp tool: size/flow/opacity.

[VectorCat]

It’s seeming like the photo “persona” kinda sorta gives you some of the photo functionality but if you want all of the tools you have to open up the real program itself and open the image into photo itself 

[VectorCat]

So it doesn't appear that there is a "path" to open a photos document in photos with all of photos' tools and controls, and to do so whilst having the image selected within the Publisher program.

Is this not how the interoperability is intended to work with this trio?

[ashf]

Currently there's no way to edit linked documents in "Adobe style."
 

 

[ashf]

Open original image in Photo directly, that's the only way to update images.
Not possible in Publisher.

[R C-R]

6 hours ago, VectorCat said:

I guess so but I need to rubber stamp tool an image and when I go into photo persona i see none of the tools I need for adjusting the rubber stamp tool: size/flow/opacity.

If you mean the Clone Brush Tool, all the same items are on the context toolbar in Publisher's Photo Persona as in the stand alone version of the Photos app.

[walt.farrell]

3 hours ago, ashf said:

Open original image in Photo directly, that's the only way to update images.
Not possible in Publisher.

It's more complex than that.

1. If you have a linked raster/image file (TIFF, JPG, PNG, ...)  the change you make in Publisher by choosing Edit Image will be saved back into the original file.
2. If you have a linked vector/document file (PDF, .afphoto, .afdesign, .afpub, EPS, ...) the changes are saved only in the Publisher document.

[walt.farrell]

10 hours ago, VectorCat said:

So it doesn't appear that there is a "path" to open a photos document in photos with all of photos' tools and controls, and to do so whilst having the image selected within the Publisher program.

Is this not how the interoperability is intended to work with this trio?

There are several possibilities, depending on what you want to accomplish. But first, you need to distinguish between embedded vs linked, and between documents (.afphoto, .afdesign, .afpub, .pdf, .eps, .svg, ...) and raster images (.jpg, .tif, .png).

1. The simplest approach, and the one that I think was shown in the Affinity Live program, is that you switch to the Photo Persona and simply operate on the Publisher page.
    
2. If you have an embedded image file, only approach 1 applies.
3. If you have a linked image file, select it using the Move Tool, and click on Edit Image in the Context Toolbar. That will open it in a new Publisher tab. At that point you can switch to the Photo Persona in Publisher and manipulate the image as you desire using all the tools that you could use in the Photo Persona  of Affinity Photo. When you Save the file, it will update the original image file, and then you close the tab and the file is also updated in Publisher if you have your preferences set to automatically update linked images when they are changed externally.
    
4. If you have an embedded document file, select it with the Move Tool and either double-click it, or click on Edit Document in the Context Toolbar. That will open it in a new Publisher tab. You can then switch to the Photo Persona in Publisher and manipulate the document as you desire using all the tools available in the Photo Persona of Affinity Photo. (Or, you could switch to the Designer Persona, if you own Designer.) You cannot Save the file. Any changes you make will be applied only locally within the Publisher document. You just close the tab when you're done editing. The original file you embedded is not changed.
5. If you have a linked document file, approach 4 applies. This may change in the future.
    
6. Or, for any of these, you can instead choose File > Edit in Photo. In that case, the document will be closed in Publisher and reopened in the Affinity Photo application. There you will be working on complete Publisher Pages, as in approach 1, but you will also have the additional Affinity Photo Personas available for your editing. When you are done editing, you Save the file. Then in Publisher you use File > Open to reopen the file. This step is currently needed because Affinity Photo does not yet have an Edit in Publisher function, but that has arrived in the 1.7.2 beta, at least on Windows. That will eventually enable a complete round-trip by using Edit in Photo from Publisher when you need the additional Personas, and then Edit in Publisher from Photo to get back. (That does not yet work in the Photo beta as there is no current Publisher beta for 1.7.2.)

 

[VectorCat]

6 hours ago, R C-R said:

If you mean the Clone Brush Tool, all the same items are on the context toolbar in Publisher's Photo Persona as in the stand alone version of the Photos app.

I do mean the Clone Brush Tool, which is available, yes, but its controls don't appear above in the horizontal toolbar which is part of the window "chrome."

[carl123]

All controls should be there, try...

View > Show Context Toolbar

...when in the Photo Persona of Publisher

[VectorCat]

2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

 

1. If you have an embedded document file, select it with the Move Tool and either double-click it, or click on Edit Document in the Context Toolbar. That will open it in a new Publisher tab. You can then switch to the Photo Persona in Publisher and manipulate the document as you desire using all the tools available in the Photo Persona of Affinity Photo. (Or, you could switch to the Designer Persona, if you own Designer.) You cannot Save the file. Any changes you make will be applied only locally within the Publisher document. You just close the tab when you're done editing. The original file you embedded is not changed.
2. If you have a linked document file, approach 4 applies. This may change in the future.

Your numbering changed when I pared down what I’m quoting.. selecting an image with the Move tool, the context toolbar doesn’t offer any image-editing tools. I’m using the latest non-beta versions of Publisher, Designer and Photo. 2009 8-core Xeon Mac Pro, 16gb RAM.

I see:

Image name, dpi. Next are icons for Enable Transform Origin, Hide Selection while Dragging, Show Alignment Handles, Transform Objects Separately, Cycle Selection Box, and finally a checkbox labeled, Lock Children.  Double-clicking the image with the Move Tool results in nothing.

Also..with the image selected, Move Tool active, selecting Photo persona shows only - I think the word used in the Help file - a core set of Photo tools. The Photo Persona shows me the entire Publisher Layout.

Now with image selected with Move Tool, choosing the menu item: File > Edit in Photo...the actual Affinity Photo launches and I see just the one spread but it’s not the spread containing the image selected in Publisher. I am looking at - in Photo - the last spread of the Publisher layout!

In unscientific language, I’d say, “sumpin’ ain’t right.’

I hope I’m just omitting a step..thank you 

[VectorCat]

The opening of the entire Publisher layout into Photo persona I realize is very powerful.

[walt.farrell]

2 minutes ago, VectorCat said:

Your numbering changed when I pared down what I’m quoting.. selecting an image with the Move tool, the context toolbar doesn’t offer any image-editing tools. I’m using the latest non-beta versions of Publisher, Designer and Photo. 2009 8-core Xeon Mac Pro, 16gb RAM.

I see:

Image name, dpi. Next are icons for Enable Transform Origin, Hide Selection while Dragging, Show Alignment Handles, Transform Objects Separately, Cycle Selection Box, and finally a checkbox labeled, Lock Children.  Double-clicking the image with the Move Tool results in nothing.

In Publisher, with a Linked image file selected using the Move Tool, your Toolbar and Context Toolbar should look like this:

and the Layers panel would look something like this:

Perhaps you're not dealing with an linked image file? Have you perhaps Rasterized the layer, instead of leaving it as an image?

 

[ashf]

@walt.farrell
>If you have a linked raster/image file (TIFF, JPG, PNG, ...)  the change you make in Publisher by choosing Edit Image will be saved back into the original file.

oh ok. I tried only afphoto/afdesign.

[VectorCat]

My images are linked, layers not rasterized. 

 

Thank you

[R C-R]

8 minutes ago, VectorCat said:

My images are linked, layers not rasterized. 

It might help if you posted a screenshot of your Layers panel in Publisher in the Publisher Persona, with one of your linked layers selected, like in the second screenshot by @walt.farrell above. 

[ashf]

4 hours ago, VectorCat said:

My images are linked, layers not rasterized. 

I assume it's afphoto? If so you have to open and edit the original file in Photo but Publisher like Walt said.