Jonas Nyström Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 The fact that Image layers behave completely differently than Vector layers regarding size changes is VERY CONFUSING! Vector object layer: No control key - Dragging a corner changes the size freely Shift pressed - Dragging a corner changes the size with fixed aspect ratio Image object layer: No control key - Dragging a corner changes the size with fixed aspect ratio Shift pressed - Dragging a corner changes the size freely The fact that a grouping an Image layer together with a Vector object makes it behave like a Vector layer doesn't make it less confusing. Is there a way of changing the preferences for this, to make all layers behave concistently? Best / Jonas CRWillow 1 Quote
Alfred Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 Welcome to the Serif Affinity Forums, Jonas. 27 minutes ago, Jonas Nyström said: Is there a way of changing the preferences for this, to make all layers behave concistently? Yes, there is. There’s a Preferences setting, labelled ‘Move Tool Aspect Constrain’ when the UI language is set to English. The default is for objects with a natural aspect ratio to maintain it without the need to use the Shift key modifier, but you can choose instead to maintain the aspect ratio by default for all objects or for none. Dan C, 4personnen and debraspicher 3 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
Jonas Nyström Posted June 15, 2019 Author Posted June 15, 2019 Ah, thanks a lot, Alfred! I just could not understand why on earth I could never learn how to size things in Designer..! This will definitely reduce my WTF stress level! :-) Alfred and CRWillow 2 Quote
PLShutterbug Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Alfred: "... objects with a natural aspect ratio to maintain it ..." I'm also very confused by when I must use Shift vs. not, and your explanation makes no sense to me. Don't know if you work for Serif or not ... Every graphic element has a "natural aspect ratio" regardless of whether it is vector, bitmap, or ... whatever. A vector image that is 1.234783483:1 has that aspect ratio. A bitmap image that is 1024x768 has that aspect ratio. A circle is 1:1. A rectangle whose length is twice its height is 2:1. These are all "natural aspect ratios." Resizing any of them without changing their aspect ratio means that you don't change the ratio as you change the size - regardless of the specific mechanism a tool such as Photo requires to do it. Click to maintain; Shift-click to maintain - either maintains the aspect ratio the image was originally saved with. Why does Photo require no Shift- sometimes, and require a Shift- sometimes? This is inconsistent. Every PC-based graphic editor I have ever used - and I've been using computers for about 36 years - has used the standard that not clicking Shift allows the aspect ratio to change while resizing, and clicking Shift restricts a resize operation to maintain the aspect. Why did Serif break this long-standing tradition? Additionally, what pressure can we in the user community bring to bear to convince you that your current way is wrong and that you should change it to match the standard? Quote
walt.farrell Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 4 hours ago, PLShutterbug said: Every graphic element has a "natural aspect ratio" regardless of whether it is vector, bitmap, or ... whatever. A vector image that is 1.234783483:1 has that aspect ratio. A bitmap image that is 1024x768 has that aspect ratio. A circle is 1:1. A rectangle whose length is twice its height is 2:1. These are all "natural aspect ratios." Resizing any of them without changing their aspect ratio means that you don't change the ratio as you change the size - regardless of the specific mechanism a tool such as Photo requires to do it. Click to maintain; Shift-click to maintain - either maintains the aspect ratio the image was originally saved with. An image has a natural aspect ration in that if you stretch only one dimension of the image, you distort its contents. A rectangle, on the other hand, has no natural aspect ration because if you change only one dimension, it is still a rectangle. Affinity does not have circles. It has ellipses, and however you stretch an ellipse it is still an ellipse, so there's no "natural" aspect ration there, either. When an object has a natural ratio (such as the image) then you do not need to use shift. Any dragging will maintain that ratio. When an object does not have a natural ratio, then you need to use shift to tell Affinity to maintain the ratio that it currently has, if that's your intention. mac_heibu 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
PLShutterbug Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 Walt, I predict that you won't like this response. However I ask that you read it not from the perspective of a longtime Affinity user used to its vagaries but from the perspective of a long-time Windows application user used to certain conventions being honored by different software used. But first, please don't confuse the word "ratio," which is a proportion of length to width, with "ration," which is a portion size typically less than a full measure. We are talking about ratios here, not rations. Second, you are missing the point. Photo (and presumably other Serif products) works inconsistently. Sometimes when I change the size of something without using Shift as I do so, Photo distorts the aspect ratio compared with its original ratio; sometimes it doesn't. No other application I have ever used has behaved this way; on the contrary, the seemingly universal convention is: If you want to maintain the aspect ratio of whatever you are resizing, you must press and hold the Shift key while changing its size. If you want the aspect ratio to change while you are resizing, don't press and hold Shift. So right out of the gate, Serif is going against decades of convention. Your arguments about rectangles and circles likewise don't hold either. I know that a square is a rectangle with four equal side lengths, and I know that if I change the width of a rectangle without changing its height it remains a rectangle. I also know that a circle is simply an ellipse with a constant radius. However, if I start with a bitmap image or a rectangle or a square rectangle or an ellipse or a circular ellipse - or a hexagon or a star or a curve or an irregular curve or a pointmap or ... basically any other graphic element - of a given aspect ratio, and I want to change its size, I could not possibly care less whether someone has arbitrarily said that any of these things have a "natural aspect ratio." Either I want to maintain the original aspect ratio or I don't, and the application I use should work with ANY of these objects in a consistent manner, and (in my opinion) it really should follow the age-old convention that if I want to maintain that aspect ratio, use Shift; if not, then don't. Let's bring in the snark factor a bit here and let me ask: has Serif published a list of those elements it defines as having a "natural aspect ratio" so I can know, when I begin to resize something, whether I must use Shift or not to maintain that ratio? In a quick look through their latest help guide (for 1.7.1.404), a search for the term "natural aspect ratio" brings up a single article: "isometric and axonometric grids." Searching on "resize" brings up a number of topics, including "Changing Image Size" but this topic does not cover "natural aspect ratios" nor does it mention the use of Shift or not. Right now, if I want to resize something I don't know whether or not I must use the Shift key to maintain its ratio or not, and the application does not always provide help. Further, I've noticed that for some operations, resizing the same element seems sometimes to require Shift to maintain its aspect ratio but sometimes it doesn't. This is frustrating to me and I'm sure it is frustrating to others as well. I realize also that Serif was closed in the UK when I wrote my comment on Friday, so they have not had a chance to respond. The two responses so far seem to have come from users, not Serif employees, so I will wait for Serif to respond so I can have a definitive answer. walt.farrell 1 Quote
Alfred Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, PLShutterbug said: Either I want to maintain the original aspect ratio or I don't, and the application I use should work with ANY of these objects in a consistent manner, and (in my opinion) it really should follow the age-old convention that if I want to maintain that aspect ratio, use Shift; if not, then don't. In that case, choose the Preferences setting which dictates that it works that way. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
PLShutterbug Posted June 23, 2019 Posted June 23, 2019 I will try it. I wish there were explanations for each of the choices. Quote
walt.farrell Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Alfred said: In that case, choose the Preferences setting which dictates that it works that way. Thanks for mentioning that. I frequently forget that setting exists. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
R C-R Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 5:43 PM, PLShutterbug said: I will try it. I wish there were explanations for each of the choices. It isn't an explanation as such but you can check the Status bar at the bottom of the workspace window to see if a corner drag needs a modifier key to constrain the aspect ratio or not. It is context sensitive so not only do its contents change depending on where the pointer is in the workspace, it also takes into account the setting of that preference. In general, paying attention to what the Status bar shows can be very helpful in learning how the app works ... & for oldsters like me whose memory is not what it once was, also a good way to 're-remember' what already has been learned. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.7 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7
Ema Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 Hmm, is it this setting in the screenshot - "Constrain by default"? It doesn't seem to work for me. I still need to use Shift to constrain. Kind regards, Ema Quote
walt.farrell Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Ema said: is it this setting in the screenshot - "Constrain by default"? It doesn't seem to work for me. I still need to use Shift to constrain. What kind of object are you transforming with the Move Tool? And which handle are you using? That option seems to apply only when dragging one of the corner nodes. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Ema Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 I'm transforming a vector object via the corner nodes. I sometimes have to hold shift down to keep proportions, sometimes it's with ctrl. Quote
walt.farrell Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Please be more precise about the kind of object. "Vector" is still vague. A sample document to demonstrate the issue, or screenshots showing the objects and the Layers panel would help. (And I'm not aware of a use of Ctrl in this context, so that seems puzzling.) Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Ema Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Hi Walt, by vector I mean a path object. See attachment. At the moment if I press shift I ignore apect ratio. While working at some point it becomes "press shift to keep aspect ratio" and I can't figure out why. Thanks in advance, Ema sample doc shift to ignore aspect ratio.afdesign Quote
walt.farrell Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Thanks, and sorry, but I have no idea why that would happen to a Curve object. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
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