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I have a number of panoramic images taken by an iPhone, i.e. the iPhone already did the stitching of separate shots.  I'm probably missing something obvious, but how do I open these images in AP to use its panoramic tools?  If I just open it I simply end up with a rather elongated picture which is not quite what I was after :P 


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Hi BatteriesInc,

 

The problem is, the phone has done the stitching part of the Panoramic and as such you can't open these in the Panoramic Window that Affinity shows after it's done the stitching.

Which tools are you looking at using on the image? 

 

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Hi BatteriesInc,

The Pano mode of the iPhone outputs just a single (stitched) image, so there's nothing for Affinity Photo to process. If you really want to use the iPhone for taking photos for a panorama and stitch them on Affinity Photo you have to use the regular Photo mode of the iPhone to shoot a set of consecutive images along an axis making sure they overlap a little so Affinity Photo has some data to process/stitch them.

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Dang (not the Mac Miller version) - that answer infers there are no plans afoot to handle these either which is a shame because I see more and more of them appear :(.


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18 minutes ago, BatteriesInc said:

Dang (not the Mac Miller version) - that answer infers there are no plans afoot to handle these either which is a shame because I see more and more of them appear :(.

 

There is no reason to expect Affinity Photo (or any other image-processing software) to do what you want. Some high-end DSLR cameras can take panoramas and may retain the original images, but it is highly unlikely that any phone camera would. You will just have to do what MEB advises and take your own series of images, preferably overlapping them by about one third.


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1 hour ago, John Rostron said:

There is no reason to expect Affinity Photo (or any other image-processing software) to do what you want

 

Really?  Bummer.  

There goes my understanding of what photo editing software does, you know, actually editing pictures?  I naïvely thought the description covered what the program actually did.

 

Sarcasm aside, your perspective is a tad on the narrow side because appear to assume that you're always in control of the source, whereas especially in emergency work it doesn't always pan (sorry) out that way - in that case you're grateful for whatever you can lay your hands on from whomever and whatever is around, even low resolution video frame grabs.  Would I like separate images?  Sure, but a luxury of choice tends to signal that you're late to the scene.

 

Secondly, it was an observation made in a discussion, not a demand, it could very well have yielded a response of "try this" from Affinity because they do like solving challenges and they're nothing but creative.

 

In this case I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't try slicing the source image and re-assemble the slices in AP so panoramic mode kicks in anyway.  I don't have the time today, but it is something I'm going to try - especially now I've been told it cannot be done 9_9.


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My comment was based on the assumption that you wanted to edit the images from which the panorama was created by your iPhone so as to create your own version. Perhaps I was wrong in this. If so could you spell out what you were hoping to do.

 

Slicing the panorama from the iPhone is unlikely to give you the results you want becase there would be no overlap between the images. You could try exporting a series if overlapping slices from the panorama, but I suspect that you would end up with more-or-less what you started with.


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7 hours ago, stokerg said:

Hi BatteriesInc, The problem is, the phone has done the stitching part of the Panoramic and as such you can't open these in the Panoramic Window that Affinity shows after it's done the stitching. Which tools are you looking at using on the image?

@Batteriesinc: Reviewing this string, it appears you didn't ever answer the question asked by stokerberg. While you can't re-panorama-ize it in any software (including AP) you can still edit the result using other AP features/tools.


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@BatteriesInc

You can add the same iPhone panorama image twice into AP and "stitch" the 2 identical images together, which will take you into the panorama "studio" where the other panorama tools are but not exactly sure what it is you want to achieve by this.

Perhaps if you explained better what you are looking to do, someone can assist you better

 


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23 minutes ago, BatteriesInc said:

 

Really?  Bummer.  

There goes my understanding of what photo editing software does, you know, actually editing pictures?  I naïvely thought the description covered what the program actually did.

 

That's a bit unreasonable.

 

Affinity can fully edit any picture you give it. What it can't do is recreate the original pictures used by your camera when it made the panorama.

 

Your camera would have taken, say 5 or 6 pictures, stitched them together and erased the overlapping parts of each photo as it did so. How on earth could Affinity (or any photo editing program) edit what is no longer there? It can't recreate the missing parts. The fault (if you can call it a fault) is with the procedure.

 

If you wan't to process from the original files, you need the original, complete, picture files. Not the chopped up and cobbled together panorama


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On 8/3/2017 at 5:28 PM, toltec said:

That's a bit unreasonable.

 

Possibly yes.  Let me explain what and why as far as I can.

 

The issue with panoramic images is that you get an elongated shot.  One of the (IMHO) absolute fantastic features of Affinity Photo in panoramic mode is that you can take a pan shot (after you assemble it "inside" AP from separate images), rotate it as if you were in the scene (without the distortion you sometimes get from especially the bottom end of pan shots), and then drop things in it.  That way, you can edit the image where details need elevation/magnification because, for instance, they're in the shadows or they were previously not noticed, then add speech bubbles with index numbers for reference and eventually use it as a viewer and "walk" the scene with others to see if anything else was missed.  When you have done this from separate images, the result is extremely useful for emergency briefings and (later) post event reviews.

 

The quest was thus to find a method to see if AP could be "pushed" into panoramic mode with an image that was assembled outside AP, because (as I said), sometimes that's all you can get from a live event besides far lower quality video footage.


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On 8/3/2017 at 5:01 PM, John Rostron said:

My comment was based on the assumption that you wanted to edit the images from which the panorama was created by your iPhone so as to create your own version. Perhaps I was wrong in this. If so could you spell out what you were hoping to do.

 

Slicing the panorama from the iPhone is unlikely to give you the results you want becase there would be no overlap between the images. You could try exporting a series if overlapping slices from the panorama, but I suspect that you would end up with more-or-less what you started with.

 

The idea is indeed to edit the images (although I have to add I'm not the source as I'd take separate shots - the idea is to be able to handle anything coming in from third parties), but the issue was that AP in panoramic mode has facilities and tools that are exclusive to that mode, not accessible in any other way.  Hence the wish to find a way to "encourage" it to switch into that mode when opening a panoramic image.  From what I hear that's not possible, I assume that during assembly some kind of mapping is created for the panoramic mode that an externally sourced pan shot doesn't supply.

 

Interesting is that I have failed so far to find any other application that comes even close to what AP can do with panoramic images, hence me hoping for answers.  Oh well.  Can't win them all.

 


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22 minutes ago, BatteriesInc said:

 

The quest was thus to find a method to see if AP could be "pushed" into panoramic mode with an image that was assembled outside AP, because (as I said), sometimes that's all you can get from a live event besides far lower quality video footage.

 

It would be nice but Panorama mode uses the complete originals, overlapping them to stitch together one image, masking the overlapping bits that are surplus to requirements.. It can refer to the original images if it needs to. That way you can add to or erase from the source image mask. 

 

What you are getting is an image with maybe 66% of the original data thrown away. Once it's gone, it's gone!

 

You can make Affinity open the panorama in Panorama mode, (select the same image twice) but it cant replace the 66% of the image that was deleted by the camera. It's good, but not that good ;)

 

I'm afraid it all comes down to good old fashioned selecting and adjusting. The selection brush and the Liquify Persona may become your best friends :)


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52 minutes ago, BatteriesInc said:

 

... but the issue was that AP in panoramic mode has facilities and tools that are exclusive to that mode, not accessible in any other way.

 

Which tools are you referring in particlular? These on the toolbar on the left can only be used if you have access to the source images (which are loaded from the New Panorama command). Processed panoramas from third party apps are usually just a single processed image and as such the source images cannot be manipulated since they were already "blended" into a "flattened" image. More advanced/specialised panorama software (PTGui, AutoPano) are able to export/output layered photoshop files with both the processed result as well as the (masked) sources as layers which lets you retouch/edit them individually but they are not imported to Panorama Persona since they are just regular layered psd files. You can however use the Photo Persona tools to edit/retouch the (masked) source layers on these PSD's.

 

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I must apologise for the delay in answering this.  I will come back to this but I have been a tad buried in work and look at the tools you mentioned (thanks for that :) ).


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