Default Base Group X and Y Offset in the Text Style Editor

[Hangman]

Does anyone know what the X offset: 0 pt; Y offset: 0 pt; references in the Text Style Editor's Default Base Group... I've not been able to find any settings in the TSE which influence these values...
 

 

[Old Bruce]

In what pane of the Text Style Editor do you see this?  Font, Colour, Position etc. There are 18 panes.

[joe_l]

3 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

In what pane of the Text Style Editor do you see this?  Font, Colour, Position etc. There are 18 panes.

Nowhere. You can see it in the "summary" of the style at the bottom, when you edit the style.

[Hangman]

2 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

In what pane of the Text Style Editor do you see this?  Font, Colour, Position etc. There are 18 panes.

As @joe_l mentions, it's in the Base Group summary panel in the Text Style Editor...

[Hangman]

In addition, there is...

• Character transparency: none;
• Hyperlink: None;
• OpenType: reset;

I cannot figure out how to adjust any of those values either, i.e., none of the settings in the Text Style Editor appear to impact these settings... Where on earth does 'Hyperlink' come from?

[walt.farrell]

2 hours ago, Hangman said:

In addition, there is...

• Character transparency: none;
• Hyperlink: None;
• OpenType: reset;

I see character transparency in the summary, but I don't see the other two. Can you provide a screenshot, please?

[Hangman]

27 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I see character transparency in the summary, but I don't see the other two. Can you provide a screenshot, please?

[walt.farrell]

Thanks. That gets me the OpenType: reset. I don't see Hyperlink: None on Windows (haven't looked on macOS).

 

[MikeTO]

Hyperlink is for the automatic hyperlinks added to TOC page numbers. If you use the default styles, generate a TOC, and click to the right of a page number, the summary will show:

TOC 1: Heading 1 + TOC 1: Heading 1 Number + Hyperlink settings

You cannot set this attribute directly. I assume the others are also attributes that can't be set directly but I don't know what they're for.

[MikeTO]

"OpenType: reset" is for Typography > Capitals. If you edit the Base style group and change Capitals from No Change to Default and then back to No Change, "OpenType: reset" will disappear from the summary. I'm unsure why this exists but this is what it's for.

[Hangman]

I guess Hyperlink effectively has two states, enabled or not enabled or maybe active and not active…

The OpenType reset makes sense if it is literally resetting the Capitals so I can see why it would be included as part of the text style…

That just leaves ‘Character Transparency’… I understand the meaning I just couldn’t find any way to adjust it’s value via a text style assuming it’s possible to do…

And X offset: 0 pt; Y offset: 0 pt; that one makes no sense to me at the moment…

[MikeTO]

There's also "Kern: 0 ‰". Users can define a style with Kerning set to Manual or Auto but that's all. However it appears that a style definition can include a specific kerning value and the Base style includes it.

And there's also "No Caps". This isn't affected by any of the Typography > Capitals options.

To save you time in looking at this, start with this document. I've set every option of Base to No Change and am left with: Next: [No Style]; X offset: 0 pt; Y offset: 0 pt; Kern: 0 ‰; No caps; Character transparency: none; Hyperlink: None

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"Next" has to be there because it can't be set to No Change. Hyperlink we've explained, OpenType went away when I changed the capitals option. The others are just there.

[Hangman]

I literally went through every single setting today and it was only the four mentioned above that initially made little sense but as you say, two of those now do, just trying to figure out the remaining two in particular the X, Y offset values…

[Dan C]

Thanks for raising this!

I'm awaiting further confirmation from the developers regarding a few of the options outlined here - however in the meantime I wanted to provide a little more info for the options I can answer currently;

14 hours ago, MikeTO said:

There's also "Kern: 0 ‰". Users can define a style with Kerning set to Manual or Auto but that's all. However it appears that a style definition can include a specific kerning value and the Base style includes it.

The 'Kern 0 %' is an absolute value that can be set in the Character Studio (ensuring you don't have an active text highlight selection) on the text caret location and will reflect in the Text Style summary box.

Due to the nature of this option, when updating the Text Style the Kerning value doesn't get changed because it can't support this value across a whole paragraph - which is intentional, because the value is only applied selectively between characters.

The Text Style editor shows local formatting applied, hence this is displayed as 0% by default, but will update provided the correct conditions are met -

18 hours ago, Hangman said:

• Character transparency: none;

This is controlled with the Transparency Tool, when applied to text:

15 hours ago, MikeTO said:

X offset: 0 pt; Y offset: 0 pt; & No caps;

These are the 2 options that I'm awaiting further confirmation regarding, as I'm unsure which specific values/controls these are referring to at this time and cannot decipher this in my testing.

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Therefore I am asking the following to our devs:

• What do the 'X/Y offset' or 'No caps' values refer to in the TSE summary? (and thus, how can a user control these?)
• Is it correct for this summary to display values that cannot be set/changed in the Text Style Editor directly? (ie Hyperlink, Kerning %, Character Transparency)
• Should the Hyperlink: None' value be displayed on Windows as it is on macOS, or vice-versa and it should be hidden on macOS, as on Windows?

I'll be sure to update the thread with the information provided by our team in due course, I hope this helps 

[Hangman]

38 minutes ago, Dan C said:

This is controlled with the Transparency Tool, when applied to text:

Hi @Dan C,

Ah, okay, I had wrongly assumed, because it appears in the Base Group Text Style as 'Character transparency: none;', there was some way to edit the value directly via the Text Style Editor but this makes more sense now... thanks for clarifying...

Certainly curious to understand what 'X offset: 0 pt; Y offset: 0 pt;' refers to though...

[Dan C]

From our team;

58 minutes ago, Dan C said:

• What do the 'X/Y offset' or 'No caps' values refer to in the TSE summary? (and thus, how can a user control these?)

" 'X offset', 'Y offset' only apply to composed text based on other settings and are not user configurable. 'No Caps' is a legacy attribute that is converted to corresponding OpenType attributes if an old document containing it is loaded."

1 hour ago, Dan C said:

• Is it correct for this summary to display values that cannot be set/changed in the Text Style Editor directly? (ie Hyperlink, Kerning %, Character Transparency)

"Manual 'Kerning' and 'Hyperlink' make little sense in the context of a Text Style and are usually stripped out when creating a style from existing text."

"It is possible to set the overall text transparency using the Transparency Tool and the summary alerts you if a transparency is applied in this way - but there is no UI on the dialog to control it currently"

1 hour ago, Dan C said:

• Should the Hyperlink: None' value be displayed on Windows as it is on macOS, or vice-versa and it should be hidden on macOS, as on Windows?

As above, this makes little sense in context and should not be included on either platform.

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Therefore I'm logging the following bugs with our team;

• Remove the X/Y offset, No caps, Kerning 0% & Hyperlink: None descriptors from the Text Style summary box
• Implement a 'Transparency' control within the TSE, perhaps similar to the current 'Text Fill' option.

I hope this clears things up

[Hangman]

Hi @Dan C,

Perfect, thanks so much for the detailed insight and feedback, at least we now know why they're there and there is a plan to remove/improve these settings in the Text Style Editor...

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