Capitals: Titling

[inkster]

Hi all,

With Affinity Publisher, when I edit a text style, and choose Capitals: Titling, it does not cause the 1st letter of every word to be capital...

Am I doing something wrong, or should I put this as a bug report?

Thanks

[GarryP]

Welcome to the forums.
Would you be able to give a visual example of what you have and what you want to do with it?
Also, which font are you using and how can other people get it for testing purposes?

[inkster]

I have a screenshot here, I am using Arial (I have also tried with other fonts)...

 

 

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[Old Bruce]

13 hours ago, inkster said:

I have a screenshot here, I am using Arial (I have also tried with other fonts)...

 

 

I agree that this does not work, I would hesitate to use it as a paragraph attribute though. I am old school and prefer to 'hand roll' the text in situations like that. Could be a bug relating to what sort of Language settings we have, or it may not be implemented properly.

Different people will have different exceptions of what is correct:

Title of the Book

or,

Title Of The Book

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[Old Bruce]

Just now, Lagarto said:

Title case or sentence case, on the other hand, are not styling options but a conversion operations that actually change the upper and lower case lettering of the selected text. You cannot specify conversions as part of a paragraph style.

Then they should not be included in the Paragraph Styles set of options. See the first screen shot from @inkster.

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[Old Bruce]

Thanks for the explaination Lagarto. As is usual with software engineers (and the English language itself) choose names for options or actions which are as clear as mud.

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[MikeW]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/features_pt#titl

The way this is implemented in Abobe Garamond Pro is that cap letters are thinner than normal and uses the same advanced width (spacing) as the regular caps.

When type is used at larger sizes, optically regular cap letters appear too bulky, fat. By reducing the "weight" of letters when they are specifically designed lighter when type is at a (very) large point size. The thinner glyps/letters appear "better."

Of course, one can do many things in any opentype feature that may or not be proper...

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[MikeW]

22 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

Ok, thanks, this makes sense. The "problem" of course is that both of these titling features are pretty rarely implemented. I could not at first see any difference (using Adobe Garamond Pro and "Normal" vs. "Titling") except that letters were not so tightly kerned (e.g. T and h, in the word "The"). But obviously in context of defining paragraph style attributes, the feature sets cannot be dynamically controlled so these options are selectable even when not available in the currently selected font (e.g. Unicase being available with Adobe Garamond Pro).

It's pretty subtle.

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[MikeW]

Though there have been several OT Features added since v.2016, here's a list.

https://www.planetquark.com/2016/10/06/quarkxpress-2016-opentype-support/#.Xq29LJJlA0M

[Ed Lyons]

When is this going to be fixed? It still does not work for me 2.5.5.

[kenmcd]

51 minutes ago, Ed Lyons said:

When is this going to be fixed? It still does not work for me 2.5.5.

Fix what? 

The original post is trying to use an OpenType feature which affects letter forms - to change word capitalization.  Which is incorrect.