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Chills got a reaction from Guyon in V2 Pricing for users V1
It is a very sad reflection on humanity when people are more concerned that some one else has got the same advanttage they have. It does not diminish or affect the discount you have it is just a whine that some one else has an equally good deal. Be happy you got a good deal. No one else has got a better deal.
Why whine that some one else is haveing good done to them? It does not harm you.
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Chills got a reaction from Dangerous in V2 Pricing for users V1
Shhhh!
(It's not a fair to ask that, besides it was different then... and we was helping Affinity by spreading the word.... and.... err....🙂 )
For the record I bought all three V1 NOT on a deal about a year ago and it was very good value.
I got V2 on a discount Unversal license this week.
Overall my payments to Serif have amounted to about 6 months Rental to Adobe. So I am still way ahead
The payments to Serif will still amont to 6 months rental to Adobe in 5-8 years time when V3 arrives.
Nothing to complain about!
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Chills reacted to Palatino in V2 Pricing for users V1
In the past, such behavior was called envy and was one of the seven deadly sins. 😇
Add: Matthew 20:1 – Everything has been there before.
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Chills reacted to nezumi in V2 Pricing for users V1
This reminds me similar stupidity, when people were outraged at game company because they thought game will be exclusive for their console but later was announced for PC as well. So somehow this was bad and they were outraged, wanted refund pre-orders.... Because others were about to get to play this game too and they wanted it just for themselves...
People are just weird species.
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Chills reacted to R C-R in V2 Pricing for users V1
Again, so what? The discount is the same for everyone who wants to take advantage of it. I do not understand why that should bother anyone.
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Chills reacted to R C-R in V2 Pricing for users V1
But no one has to pay full price if they buy while Serif offers the discount pricing.
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Chills reacted to CWFII in V2 Pricing for users V1
Many users believe they should pay a lesser price to upgrade to a new version rather than pay for the new version outright. That's not controversial. Serif made a business decision that tries to toe the line between traditional upgrade and subscription mechanisms, confounding many V1 users, some of whom might perceive that as discrimination. I don't believe that to be the case, but understand the perspective.
Agree it is not universal and that subscription models are totally different and loathsome to many.
Serif's upgrade policy is clear: everyone, including prior version users, will pay full price for the major upgrade. That seems to be the issue with many voicing opinions here.
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Chills reacted to R C-R in V2 Pricing for users V1
But they do get a reduced price. So what if new users also get the same deal? How is that discriminating against V1 users?
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Chills reacted to R C-R in V2 Pricing for users V1
They just seem to be upset that they are getting the same discount that first time buyers are getting. IOW, I think they would prefer that first time buyers get no discount.
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Chills reacted to sbstn in V2 Pricing for users V1
I agree that the price is very cheap compared to other software on the market.
I have now bought a universal licence before it becomes more expensive, because unfortunately I can't afford it then. I also agree that after years of use it is fair that you have to pay again. Other software I own charge every year for updates.
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Chills reacted to CWFII in V2 Pricing for users V1
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, regardless of whether or not others deem said opinion ridiculous.
That's one way to frame it. Another: existing V1 users felt discriminated against based on the lack of a deflated V2 upgrade price for existing customers. It works both ways.
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Chills reacted to SKT7 in V2 Pricing for users V1
It's ridiculous how some people are upset about not getting the loyalty discount for using V1.
Given it's price, especially with the discount, it seems it's not the price but they are upset because the new users are not discriminated with an inflated price!
By the way, Serif is upgrading the apps to V2 if someone has bought V1 within a month before the new release. I saw a reply from a mod on the launch day.
I was eagerly waiting when Affinity for Mac was announced and I also bought Affinity the day it came out for PC. I have picked up about 20 licenses so far even though only 1/4th of them are in use. I am still about it as the price is ridiculously low - let alone the discounted price! And I wanted to support an alternative to the Adobe and their regressive rental model. I used Adobe for almost two decades - and it was very painful to move away from them to say the least - it took few years for me to get comfortable with Affinity and come to terms with its limitations and differences - but looking back I was totally worth it!
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Chills got a reaction from PaulEC in V2 Pricing for users V1
The reaction to Serif is getting silly. Try dealing with Adobe for $$$$$$$, Affinity is a bargin and more than worth the price. That the long term users of V1 didn't get any special discount over new users is irrelevant. You got the use of the Affinity V1 SW and I assume that generated an income for you so you have a net benefit.
Stop whinging.
I bought V1 just over a years ago and bought V2 yesterday. I am still way ahead of the Adobe users and the Sw paid for itself in the last 12 months.
Should the loyalty discount be graduated on how many years ago you bought V1? Those who bought V1 a month ago get s different discount to those who bought V1 in 2016?
Is the price you paid for V2 good value for you? If so shut up. It doesn’t matter what someone else paid.
As for those flouncing out saying they will never use Affinity again: That is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Chills got a reaction from jmwellborn in V2 Pricing for users V1
Are you sure I didn#t? 🙂
Thanks I have corrected the typo. I know what you mean about some of the peopel on here.
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Chills got a reaction from sbstn in V2 Pricing for users V1
The reaction to Serif is getting silly. Try dealing with Adobe for $$$$$$$, Affinity is a bargin and more than worth the price. That the long term users of V1 didn't get any special discount over new users is irrelevant. You got the use of the Affinity V1 SW and I assume that generated an income for you so you have a net benefit.
Stop whinging.
I bought V1 just over a years ago and bought V2 yesterday. I am still way ahead of the Adobe users and the Sw paid for itself in the last 12 months.
Should the loyalty discount be graduated on how many years ago you bought V1? Those who bought V1 a month ago get s different discount to those who bought V1 in 2016?
Is the price you paid for V2 good value for you? If so shut up. It doesn’t matter what someone else paid.
As for those flouncing out saying they will never use Affinity again: That is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Chills reacted to Bad_Wolf in V2 Pricing for users V1
@NBabout,
You bought Affinity 5 months ago and you didn't use it at all, what is your problem then? Are you going to upgrade an application which you didn't use?
I do agree with you, I am using Affinity since the beginning. However, at the time I switched many times I wished I remained with DrawPlus. By the way, I also renewed my DrawPlus licence just before the release of Affinity Designer and had to pay the same value as anybody else. Back in 2016, I just bought an Affinity licence, removed DrawPlus from my laptop and moved on without looking back. Correction, DrawPlus was removed a few weeks later because I found out, I was constantly switching to DrawPlus because I knew it better than Designer.
It is what it is. This forum is not the place to complain about the pricing. I can only advice you to contact Serif directly and explain your case. Maybe in that way you can have your extra discount.
I really do hope this kind of rants stop because they are not adding anything constructive any more. Maybe it is time for the moderators to close this thread.
Chris
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Chills reacted to Bad_Wolf in V2 Pricing for users V1
I think everything is already said what could be said about the matter.
The solution is very simple, like somebody else already mentioned, buy an Adobe subscription or use free software and everybody is happy. Besides Adobe, we have Inkscape, Canva, Gimp all good COMPLETELY free alternatives. I would say; choices enough! Now I have to go back to work.
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Chills reacted to Bad_Wolf in V2 Pricing for users V1
I can only agree with Psenda and Old Bruce. More than a year ago I bought a Udemy course for about 84 euros because I really was interested in it. The other day, I found out there was a promotion where the exactly same course was 9,99 euros. I indeed regretted that I didn't a day longer. I could have blamed Udemy for not letting me know the next day was a sale, but I didn't. I successfully finished that course and I used what I have learned to provide better services, better courses. The person who bought the course a day later, was just luckier than I.
Another point is that as others already mentioned, if you visited the forum regularly, you could know that Serif was working on a V2 version. I cannot remember when the last V1 update was, but I assume it was early this year. There were even death rumours for the Affinity suite:). When reading between the lines, people should have known that the V2 upgrade was coming.
I am using Affinity for Windows since 2016, with indeed free updates all the time. After a couple of years, I became concerned how a small software company like Serif could have enough revenue to sustain this "free" update model. For many people here, who are relying on Affinity, it is very important that Serif earns enough revenue. Only the Sun comes up for free!
And for those who still do not understand an example. Lets say you make a drawing for a customer and that customer pays you for that drawing. Now the next day, that same customer asks you to make another drawing based on that first one. You know you are gonna work another 2 weeks on that second drawing. The second drawing is finished and you are delivering to that customer. But the customer said, I already paid for the first drawing, you have to give the second drawing for free. Do you see my point?
Serif stated that they created version v2 completely from the ground up to make it truly multi-platform. This means that v1 and v2 are two different codebases. I am sure Serif can maintain both codebases perfectly by hiring more skilled staff. However and believe me, this will result in a severe price increase. To be honest, I think it will need a monthly subsciption plan to cover these costs because it will become an ongoing simultanious development process.
So my suggestion to Serif is, make v1 a subscription plan of about 20 euros /month (that is the cheapest plan for Illustrator). This will fund the development for maintaining v1 and everybody is satisfied not?
But you can also look it from another perspective. Indeed, you have to pay now 119 euros for the unversal licence. However, that licence gives you a lot more features and possibilities. After the upgrade, you can also raise your price for a drawing or publication. You can invest time to master those new features like the shape builder and once mastered, it can save you time or let you draw more sophisticated artwork.
Negativity is your worst enemy and advisor. Keep positive, resourcefull and creative.
Chris
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Chills reacted to Dangerous in V2 Pricing for users V1
So many people complaining that the pittance they paid for version 1 does not give them free updates and upgrades for the next 50 years or more! How many of them actually bought the programs in a half price sale? Should those who paid half price get less discount than those that paid full price?
If you are not happy go and rent off adobe and when you stop paying their excessive subs you will be left with files you don't have software for because they will stop you using theirs' very quickly. Or you could use gimp unless that is also out of your price range!
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Chills reacted to Old Bruce in V2 Pricing for users V1
Similar to any shopping experience. Ever paid full price for a coat and then seen it on sale the next day?
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Chills reacted to Pšenda in V2 Pricing for users V1
Too bad you didn't heed my call to back up your claims - that Serif stated in the purchase agreement (or somewhere else) that it would provide "lifetime updates" to its apps. Surely there would be a skilled lawyer here who would help you with the lawsuit.
P.S. I'm curious myself, because I've had Affinity apps for 6/3 years now, and I've never seen anything like this anywhere.
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Chills reacted to ceocan in V2 Pricing for users V1
Why are so many people complaining about the price of V2? This is total crap. $119 is a steal for three pieces of software that you can use on mac, windows and ipad. Serif can't give them away for free, they need to make some money and keep the business afloat. V1 lasted for 8 years. An incredible run with all free updates. Let's look it from the Adobe side of thing. Adobe Creative Cloud costs $50 a month and you can't use it anymore after you stop paying. CoralDRAW Suite is $25 a month of $600 one time purchase. VectorStyler is $99 and just one piece of software. All the whiny people need to grow up and understand that nothing is free in this life and nobody is entitled to anything.
If you bought V1 recently it's just bad luck but the software doesn't change a bit. It's still the same piece of software you bought and won't expire. Besides that, if you did a bit of research before buying V1 you could have known it released about 8 years ago and software usually doen't have such a long run without any new paid version. There were also a lot of rumours about a V2 going on for a long time.
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Chills reacted to Dan C in V2 Pricing for users V1
Our licenses have always been sold on a per-version basis - any user purchasing Version 1 will have received all Version 1 updates free of charge. Version 2 is a new license and therefore a new purchase, and you will receive all Version 2 updates free of charge.
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Chills reacted to kaffeeundsalz in V2 Pricing for users V1
To be fair, we don‘t know this. Serif have always said that they‘d provide free updates to version 1 and would charge customers for the version 2 upgrade, but we were never given any time frame when this would happen. Many people expected that version 2 would follow after the 1.9 updates, but as we all know, even that wasn‘t the case. That being said, it‘s entirely up to Serif how often they want to update version 2. The jump to version 3 could happen after 2.5, 2.6 … we simply don‘t know. To be clear, I don‘t really expect Serif to drastically shorten the lifetime of version 2. I‘m just saying that they could. To be clear again, I‘m personally okay with Serif‘s policy, but there are customers who feel betrayed about the current pricing options for whatever reason, and it might be a good idea to point this out to prevent further misunderstandings.
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Chills reacted to Pšenda in V2 Pricing for users V1
You're absolutely right - 40% off is no love at all, especially these days when everything is 110% off or free.