Question about Select → Select Same → Fill Color

[MickM]

I have a document (attached) and if I select anything orange and then do:
Select → Select Same → Fill Color
then everything that's orange doesn't select even though (as near as I can tell) they're all filled with the same RGB color, namely FF8C4D.
Some of the items have a transparency of 85%, but I don't think that should matter. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if I've found a bug.

Thanks.

 

Color Issue.afdesign

[carl123]

6 hours ago, MickM said:

Some of the items have a transparency of 85%, but I don't think that should matter.

It does matter; an 85% colour value is different to a 100% colour value as far as Select Same is concerned

6 hours ago, MickM said:

(as near as I can tell) they're all filled with the same RGB color, namely FF8C4D

In addition to the transparency issue, it's a 16bit document and some of the orange values are different

To see the 16bit values you have to use the Hamburger menu in the Colour Panel to switch to "16-bit" and then look at the RGB values there (which will be in the range 0 - 65535)

[Alfred]

6 hours ago, MickM said:

everything that's orange doesn't select

That’s a very common construction in English, but if taken literally it means “doesn’t select” applies to everything that’s orange. I presume you actually mean “not everything that’s orange selects” (i.e. some orange things do select, others don’t).

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, Alfred said:

That’s a very common construction in English, but if taken literally (...) “not everything that’s orange selects”

Who does select? The colour 'orange' – or the feature 'select same'?
(I'd expect 'orange gets selected' or 'it selects orange', not 'orange selects')

[Alfred]

The word “selects” (as used in the phrase “not everything that’s orange selects”) is a kind of shorthand for “is selected”.

[MickM]

Just woke up and am responding generically to all of the posts so far. So setting aside all the grammar issues around the word "select", when I made everything that is orange filled I thought I made sure that they all had the identical color code i.e. FF8C4D. After creating all of them, I then made some of them (the ones not enclosed in a light colored box) have 85% transparency. When I look at any of those orange objects in the color panel I confirm that they ALL show the color as being FF8C4D (irrespective of transparency) and those that do have transparency then additionally show that they have 85% transparency.  

Therefore, I intuitively thought that I could do:
    Select → Select Same → Fill Color 
and get ALL the orange filled objects that clearly show the color as being FF8C4D. Also, I could select all the 85% transparency objects using:
    Select → Select Same → Transparency
However that doesn't seem to work at all.
So much for my intuition... 

I then looked into the 16-bit vs 8-bit aspect. I changed my Document Setup from 16 bits to 8 bits and now things are working better! I can now select all of the 100% transparency orange objects using:
    Select → Select Same → Fill Color
and if I select an 85% transparency orange object and do:
    Select → Select Same → Fill Color
then I get all of those objects. 

This more or less gets me out of a jam, so thanks very much for your help. 

I also understand those that are saying "color" is actually the combination of the color code and the transparency. That makes sense, so I guess things would have been more intuitive for me if there existed the option:
    Select → Select Same → Color
    Select → Select Same → Transparency
    Select → Select Same → Color Code
(although that still doesn't explain why selecting the same transparency still doesn't work like I think it should)

[carl123]

17 minutes ago, MickM said:

(although that still doesn't explain why selecting the same transparency still doesn't work like I think it should)

Select Same Transparency refers to the Layer's transparency not the colour transparency

[MickM]

51 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Select Same Transparency refers to the Layer's transparency not the colour transparency

Easy fix - the menu should then say exactly that :-/. Less confusing is always better.

[lepr]

1 hour ago, MickM said:

Easy fix - the menu should then say exactly that :-/. Less confusing is always better.

Also, the word 'opacity' instead of 'transparency' should be used in that menu item, for consistency with the rest of the app.

[MickM]

Do the developers read these forums and take the implied feedback, or do you specifically have to submit it in the "Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products" forum? That being said, I've seen very little progress on any UI issues (especially in Light mode where some action icons are effectively invisible).

[carl123]

1 hour ago, lepr said:

Also, the word 'opacity' instead of 'transparency' should be used in that menu item, for consistency with the rest of the app.

Check the attached Designer file

All 4 objects have the same Layer Opacity (i.e. 52%) and no other changes made to them

 

Select one of the shape objects and do Select Same > Transparency

What do you get?

Now select one of the picture objects and do Select Same > Transparency

What do you get?

 

Transparency is not the same as Opacity here

 

 

transparency.afdesign

[thomaso]

4 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Select Same > Transparency

What do you get?

Transparency is not the same as Opacity here

Though I can't open your file I'd expect that Transparency can be = reduced Opacity (layer or colour) but also Transparency caused by a Blend Mode for instance. Also a modified Blend Range Curve will cause transparency as an attribute of the affected object (without a separate, masking object).

[carl123]

10 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Though I can't open your file

Here is a V1 version

 

transparency -v1-version.afdesign

[thomaso]

18 hours ago, carl123 said:

Transparency is not the same as Opacity here

This sounds still misleading. Layer Opacity it is not the same but equivalent (-> "indirectly proportional") to Transparency, of course: reducing one causes increase of the other by the same amount and vice versa. – But, as mentioned, the Transparency of a layer can be caused by another attribute than its Layer Opacity value.

The different results in your example document are related to (and in Affinity caused by) the Layer Type: Vector vs. Pixel, rather than differing transparency types or values. Unfortunately, this affects various "Select Same" options, for instance:

• You can assign the yellow and pink fill & stroke colour to all 4 objects in your document, but only 1 of the 3 available will be selected by this function (and the colours won't show up for the pixel objects, though they are obviously assigned).
• Whereas if you convert one of the 2 pixel layers to an "Image" and the other to a "Picture Frame" layer, Affinity auto-removes their fill & stroke (set to "None"), but after reassigning them they will both be found to match each other and the 2 pure vector objects by Affinity (V1), with "Select Same". – And then also their Transparency gets found as identically by "Select Same".