tudor Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 There is a bug when converting frame text to art text. I think it started happening in v2.3 if I remember well. Basically, under certain circumstances, the spacing between characters goes awry and it cannot be fixed using tracking/kerning controls. I have to retype the whole thing from scratch. Here is a GIF screen recording from Designer 2.4.0 / macOS Sonoma 14.2.1 / Mac mini M1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, tudor said: There is a bug when converting frame text to art text. I think it started happening in v2.3 if I remember well. Basically, under certain circumstances, the spacing between characters goes awry and it cannot be fixed using tracking/kerning controls. I have to retype the whole thing from scratch. I'm not seeing any issues here... Are you using a static version of your font rather than a variable version? Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2415) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 In my example above it was a font from Adobe Fonts (not a variable one). The bug also occurs if I replace it with Montserrat. I attached a test file. test.afdesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 11 minutes ago, tudor said: The bug also occurs if I replace it with Montserrat. I attached a test file. I can replicate the issue but only after the initial Frame Text has been previously scaled, is that something that would have happened at any point before converting to Artistic Text... Creating the Frame Text from Scratch without any scaling doesn't initially appear to exhibit the issue... walt.farrell 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2415) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, Hangman said: I can replicate the issue but only after the initial Frame Text has been previously scaled, is that something that would have happened at any point before converting to Artistic Text... Yes, the bug seems to be triggered if the text frame has been scaled before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 32 minutes ago, tudor said: Yes, the bug seems to be triggered if the text frame has been scaled before. I just want to point out that if the text frame has been scaled then the glyphs have also been scaled. So maybe this behaviour isn't a bug. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 18 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: I just want to point out that if the text frame has been scaled then the glyphs have also been scaled. So maybe this behaviour isn't a bug. It is definitely a bug. Just look at the horrible character spacing after the conversion. It should not behave like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 hours ago, tudor said: Basically, under certain circumstances, the spacing between characters goes awry and it cannot be fixed using tracking/kerning controls. I just tested it on Ventura, using a couple of Adobe, Google and Apple OTF/TTF. It seems to affect primarily the Y character kerning. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, tudor said: It is definitely a bug. Just look at the horrible character spacing after the conversion. It should not behave like that. I'm not suggesting this is how it actually happened so this is a wildly exaggerated demo of how it can happen... Scaling Artistic Text, Converting it to Frame Text, Resizing the Frame Text frame, Resetting the Horizontal Scale for the Frame Text back to 100%, Converting between Frame and Artistic Text then using the backspace key to restore the text to its original layout results in the seemingly exaggerated kerning... Scaled Text.mp4 The key point here though is that despite the Frame text being reset with 100% Horizontal Scaling the kern values between characters are still identical to the original... Kern Values.mp4 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2415) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 11 minutes ago, Hangman said: I'm not suggesting this is how it actually happened so this is a wildly exaggerated demo of how it can happen... I suspect there's something much simpler going on, but I can't explain it at this point. Before lunch: I created a Text Frame with one line of text, "Grow Your Network", using Arial 64 pt text, and a Text Frame with two lines of that same text. No scaling of any kind was done. I duplicated both Text Frames. I converted one of each to Art Text. The one-line frame acted correctly. The two-line frame showed a kerning shift between the Y and o, such that the text was offset from the unconverted frame. I had no time to post, but surmised at that point that the issue involved having multiple lines of text. That was on Windows, by the way. During lunch, I tried this on my iPad, and it worked properly. After lunch: I tried to repeat this experiment on Windows. I failed, and both converted properly several times. Hangman 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I suspect there's something much simpler going on, but I can't explain it at this point. You're not alone, I've spent quite some time trying to figure out a formula and when I thought I'd found one I then struggled to recreate it but having played some more, simply switching between Frame and Artistic Text without any scaling will trigger the same outcome and the more you switch between the two, the more exaggerated the outcome... Scaled Text v2.mp4 walt.farrell 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2415) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 28 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: The two-line frame showed a kerning shift between the Y and o, Yes, it doesn't seem to like that character pair at all... This is a new, never scaled frame text object: walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Sometimes it goes in the other direction. walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 There does appear to be a scaling issue based on two factors: Whether the source text starts as Frame or Artistic Text Whether the Frame text fits or is initially larger than the text bounds Artistic Text.mp4 tudor 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2415) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2415) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff NathanC Posted March 13 Staff Share Posted March 13 Thanks to all for providing additional information and recordings, I've now replicated the issue and logged it with the developers. Hangman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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