Layers bug?

[Petar Petrenko]

It happens in the newest version 2 -- beta and retail on Win 10:

1. First I draw the ellipse and then the rectangle so the rectangle layer is above the ellipse layer.
2. Then I move the rectangle layer bellow the ellipse layer.
3. Now, when I move the rectangle object in any direction, it's layer moves above tle ellipse layer so I have to reposition it manually. And it happens again... and again.

Am I doing something wrong?

[carl123]

When you move the rectangle layer bellow the ellipse layer you are actually moving it off the artboard

Then when you move the rectangle object in any direction the app assumes you want it back on the art board and will place it at the top of the (artboard) stack, as it does with a new layer

The bottom layer in an artboard stack has two drop zones for moving objects to. One will move it to just below the bottom layer and still on the artboard the other will move it off the Artboard

Your mission is to identify these two drop zones, memorise them and to then forget you ever had this problem 

[Petar Petrenko]

2 minutes ago, carl123 said:

When you move the rectangle layer bellow the ellipse layer you are actually moving it off the artboard

No, it doesn't matter if I am moving it within the artboard or outside.

[Return]

Seeing your screenshot makes me believe that the rectangle isn't part of the artboard and if you move it on canvas it tries to become a part of the artboard.
If you don't want this, first make the rectangle a part of the artboard and use the arrange menu or the buttons to move to front/back.

[Petar Petrenko]

The layer should stay where it is whatever I do and it is my decision if I want to move it up or down.

[Petar Petrenko]

2 minutes ago, Return said:

Seeing your screenshot makes me believe that the rectangle isn't part of the artboard and if you move it on canvas it tries to become a part of the artboard.
If you don't want this, first make the rectangle a part of the artboard and use the arrange menu or the buttons to move to front/back.

You are right. The rectangle was outside the artboard. Now, it is OK. But, I can't see the logic of moving the layer outside the artbord layer.

What is the difference if the layer is outside or inside the artboard layer?

For me, if I draw on the artboard it should stay on it.

[carl123]

1 minute ago, Petar Petrenko said:

For me, if I draw on the artboard it should stay on it.

It did when you drew it but you dragged it off the Artboard

[Return]

1 minute ago, Petar Petrenko said:

What is the difference if the layer is outside or inside the artboard layer?

Actually nothing but on an artboard it is clipped and easier moved as a complete entity.

[Petar Petrenko]

3 minutes ago, carl123 said:

It did when you drew it but you dragged it off the Artboard

IMO, no layer must be allowed to be dragged outside the artboard, unless you want it to move to another artboard.

[Return]

6 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

IMO, no layer must be allowed to be dragged outside the artboard, unless you want it to move to another artboard.

No because you can make use of this feature to have stuff outside the artboard and still being able to export it with an artboard or even without any artboard.

[carl123]

10 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

IMO, no layer must be allowed to be dragged outside the artboard, unless you want it to move to another artboard.

There are lots of reasons this could be useful

Such as applying an adjustment layer to the artboard but excluding it on objects outside the artboard

[Petar Petrenko]

6 minutes ago, Return said:

No because you can make use of this feature to have stuff outside the artboard and still being able to export it with an artboard or even without any artboard.

But, can't you do it with using layer visibility?

[Return]

Or using a background image spanning 2 artboards butting together and export as 2 paged pdf (if only bleed would work here though)
You can even create a group outside an artboard only placed on the pasteboard and export it as a slice in the export persona.

[Petar Petrenko]

OK, I won't argue anymore if this has any advantages or not, but IMO any layer should stay at the position it was put by the user and not to jump anywhere by its will.

[Chris B]

How we could track what position it was in before it was dragged off? What happens when you add new objects/layers when you want to drag it back or you've deleted objects?

It sounds like it would cause more issues than would solve. I get why you have suggested this but I'm not sure it's feasible. 

[Petar Petrenko]

21 minutes ago, Chris B said:

How we could track what position it was in before it was dragged off? What happens when you add new objects/layers when you want to drag it back or you've deleted objects?

It sounds like it would cause more issues than would solve. I get why you have suggested this but I'm not sure it's feasible. 

Maybe:

1. if the object is drawn on the artboard, the layer must be part of the artboart.
2. If the object is drawn (or draged) outside the artboard, so the layer must be pulled out of the artboard and put it outside of it.
3. If the object is partly on the artboard and partly outside, the layer stays as the part of the artboard.

[Return]

1 hour ago, Petar Petrenko said:

If the object is partly on the artboard and partly outside, the layer stays as the part of the artboard.

Better not.
Try to export the attached afpub file to pdf.
You see that items partially over the artboards are getting exported on both artboards.
With your suggestion in no3 it would not be possible anymore and it would mean I need to duplicate all those items and line them up to make this happen.

ArtBoardLayers.afpub

[Petar Petrenko]

You have 2 solutions:

1. Do not stick the artboards to each other;
2. Crop the object(s) that are partly outside of the artboard.

[Petar Petrenko]

33 minutes ago, Return said:

Better not.
Try to export the attached afpub file to pdf.
You see that items partially over the artboards are getting exported on both artboards.
With your suggestion in no3 it would not be possible anymore and it would mean I need to duplicate all those items and line them up to make this happen.

In your case, you can save them in PDF as spreads.

BTW, why you imported artboards into Publisher? Do you have problems with Designer?

[Return]

2 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Crop the object(s) that are partly outside of the artboard.

Like said that would mean multiple instances of the same to be in all artboards.

[Return]

35 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

BTW, why you imported artboards into Publisher? 

You can create artboards in publisher through the designer persona, I suggested it should be possible through the publisher persona too.

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Do you have problems with Designer?

No, but I tend to work in publisher to make use of textflow on artboards and other text features that are not present in designer.
If exported as pdf it would give me pages which is always preferred by printshops.
Spreads are only a visible design aid for how it should/can look.
So why not use artboards for this.(if only bleed could be set per artboard)
See my 3 page spread,1 background,textflowing from artboard to artboard and overlapping items spanning the complete 3 page spread.

ArtBoardLayers2.pdf