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AD 1.10.5.1342 on Windows 11.

I can snap horizontal guides to grouped circles works fine. Snapping vertical guides, not so much.

Here's my snapping settings:

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And here's the video. Note that after I move the circles out of the group to the artboard I can snap vertical guides to the circles:



I've attached the AD file so you can give it a try.

Thanks for your help once again!

Snapping Guides to Circles.afdesign

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It seems to work on just some of the interior object when I try.

Nevertheless.
Without a real good reason why. Try it with the group selected instead.
Also, with the individual object selected like in the vid, try it with the Node Tool active instead of the Move tool.

Great post btw.!! Screen grab + video + a file. 💪

 

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It seems you need to use the Node Tool or Point Transform Tool along with their respective point snapping options turned on, AND have the objects of interest selected, to be able to snap on points of those objects.

Note that generic snapping does not need to be turned on, at all, and that without tool specific snapping options turned on snapping does not happen, whether the objects are selected and nodes exposed; and that snapping does not happen, even if tool specific snapping options are turned on, unless the objects of interest are selected.

As for general snapping (with the Move Tool), the Snapping needs to be enabled and bounding box and midpoint snapping turned on, AND, all objects need to be ungrouped [otherwise snapping happens more or less vaguely, objects pre-selected or not].

A simple thing made complex.

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Hi @casterle,

Thanks for your report & screen recording/file provided, this is certainly appreciated!

I can confirm I'm able to replicate this here, interestingly I find when slowing moving the vertical guide through the objects, I too am able to get it to snap for some of your shapes, but not all -

Therefore I'm logging this with our developers now for further investigation, as if the horizontal guides can snap to these points, I would expect the vertical ones to also.

I hope this helps!

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Try turning on Show Snapping Candidates and snap to those.

Aside: When I see things like circles rotated 90 degrees I am always curious as to how the document was made.

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5 hours ago, Dan C said:

I too am able to get it to snap for some of your shapes, but not all

Notice, that the Vertical Guide is attached only to those circles/objects where the Horizontal Guide is also attached.
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Problem with Snapping Candidates?

 

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It certainly appears that way to me, but I'm hesitant to confirm this exactly before our developers have commented on the internal report - in either case it's logged to be investigated as I would expect any of these objects to work with the snapping settings shown :)

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The problem is if the circle groups are encapsulated in another group (Controls). If this grouping is canceled, snapping works on all circles.

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16 hours ago, JimmyJack said:

It seems to work on just some of the interior object when I try.

Nevertheless.
Without a real good reason why. Try it with the group selected instead.
Also, with the individual object selected like in the vid, try it with the Node Tool active instead of the Move tool.

Great post btw.!! Screen grab + video + a file. 💪

 

I'm unable to get it to work on any of the circles myself. Perhaps you have steadier hands than me? 🙂

Following your suggestion, using the Node tool, I've tried with the Controls group selected, the Encoders group selected and the Artboard selected. No joy!

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13 hours ago, lacerto said:

It seems you need to use the Node Tool or Point Transform Tool along with their respective point snapping options turned on, AND have the objects of interest selected, to be able to snap on points of those objects.

 

Note that generic snapping does not need to be turned on, at all, and that without tool specific snapping options turned on snapping does not happen, whether the objects are selected and nodes exposed; and that snapping does not happen, even if tool specific snapping options are turned on, unless the objects of interest are selected.

As for general snapping (with the Move Tool), the Snapping needs to be enabled and bounding box and midpoint snapping turned on, AND, all objects need to be ungrouped [otherwise snapping happens more or less vaguely, objects pre-selected or not].

A simple thing made complex.

I replied to @JimmyJack above that I couldn't get snapping to work using the Node tool. I then turned on 'Align to nodes of selected curves' and with the Controls group selected I was able to snap properly. Snapping did not work with either the Artboard or Encoders group selected.

That seems to be the key, but I believe I should be able to snap to grouped objects using the Move tool.

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10 hours ago, Dan C said:

Hi @casterle,

Thanks for your report & screen recording/file provided, this is certainly appreciated!

I can confirm I'm able to replicate this here, interestingly I find when slowing moving the vertical guide through the objects, I too am able to get it to snap for some of your shapes, but not all -

Therefore I'm logging this with our developers now for further investigation, as if the horizontal guides can snap to these points, I would expect the vertical ones to also.

I hope this helps!

Thank you!

Windows 11 Pro, XP-Pen Deco 03, AP, AD & APub

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5 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

Try turning on Show Snapping Candidates and snap to those.

Aside: When I see things like circles rotated 90 degrees I am always curious as to how the document was made.

I have Show Snapping Candidates disabled because something else - I don't remember what - was working improperly/unexpectedly with it enabled.

As far as the rotated circles I have no idea. I found the original template file on the 'Net long ago, probably as an SVG.

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4 hours ago, Pšenda said:

The problem is if the circle groups are encapsulated in another group (Controls). If this grouping is canceled, snapping works on all circles.

Agreed. But having to remove objects from a group to snap guides to them is unexpected and should be unnecessary.

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15 hours ago, casterle said:

That seems to be the key, but I believe I should be able to snap to grouped objects using the Move tool.

 

15 hours ago, casterle said:

As far as the rotated circles I have no idea.

I agree: if the nodes are at 9 points of bounding boxes (which are at square angles), just using the Move tool should be enough. If they are not, nodes need to be revealed somehow to make snapping easier (even if it did work without showing the nodes), so in that scenario changing to another tool is often needed. In Affinity Designer, you can use the Transform Point Tool with the appropriate snapping option turned on to snap to any of the exposed points whether rotated or not, also when they are buried within groups -- but you cannot snap then to the middle point of the circle!

It could ideally be as simple as it is in CorelDRAW, where you can snap to any point while having nodes exposed, even if snapping to objects is not turned on (why else would you even want to have all nodes exposed, if not for something like this). You can use the Move tool (Pick tool in Corel) to do that, as well, but then the nodes are not exposed.

 

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In this case part of the problem is that the circles are grouped. Most of the problem is that some of them are not currently snapping candidates.

Turn on Show Snapping candidates, you will see that some of the circles are snapping candidates and others are not. This is because those that are candidates have been selected more recently than those that are not candidates.

Set snapping candidates to 4 make five objects note how the last 4 are outlined in purple. select the one not outlined in purple, It should now be outlined and number two is not outlined.

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I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.

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12 hours ago, lacerto said:

 

I agree: if the nodes are at 9 points of bounding boxes (which are at square angles), just using the Move tool should be enough. If they are not, nodes need to be revealed somehow to make snapping easier (even if it did work without showing the nodes), so in that scenario changing to another tool is often needed. In Affinity Designer, you can use the Transform Point Tool with the appropriate snapping option turned on to snap to any of the exposed points whether rotated or not, also when they are buried within groups -- but you cannot snap then to the middle point of the circle!

 

It could ideally be as simple as it is in CorelDRAW, where you can snap to any point while having nodes exposed, even if snapping to objects is not turned on (why else would you even want to have all nodes exposed, if not for something like this). You can use the Move tool (Pick tool in Corel) to do that, as well, but then the nodes are not exposed.

 

 

Thanks for more insight on this.

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5 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

In this case part of the problem is that the circles are grouped. Most of the problem is that some of them are not currently snapping candidates.

Turn on Show Snapping candidates, you will see that some of the circles are snapping candidates and others are not. This is because those that are candidates have been selected more recently than those that are not candidates.

Set snapping candidates to 4 make five objects note how the last 4 are outlined in purple. select the one not outlined in purple, It should now be outlined and number two is not outlined.

Given that I can't remember why I disabled Snapping Candidates, I'm going to give them a try again. I'll keep in mind that the candidates are available based on selection history.

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