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If a brush specifies "do not set Wet Edges" then turn Wet Edges off

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Some brushes use the Wet Edges mode but changing to a brush that by default doesn't use that setting doesn't revert the Wet Edges to off. This is very confusing. I can't remember each brush setting and there's no way to know whether the setting were originally designed to have the Wet Edge on or off.

Interestingly among the default brush libraries this doesn't seem to happen only with the OIL brushes which switch Wet Edges on and off based on the factory settings.

 

Thanks @walt.farrell for the heads up on a better topic title.


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43 minutes ago, verysame said:

Some brushes use the Wet Edges mode but changing to a brush that by default doesn't use that setting doesn't revert the Wet Edges to off. This is very confusing. I can't remember each brush setting and there's no way to know whether the setting were originally designed to have the Wet Edge on or off.

You seem to think there are two settings for Wet Edges, but really there are three:

  • Turn the setting on;
  • Turn the setting off; and
  • Do not change the setting.

It sounds like you have some confusion with the brushes that say "do not change"". But your question is "was this brush designed to have Wet Edges On, or Off" and the true answer is "Neither". It was designed to keep the setting however you have it when you switch to the brush.

Basically, when you switch to the brush, it is at its "factory" setting, unless you have edited the brush itself by double-clicking on it, making changes, and saving it.

 


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I know we had this conversation in the past and I understand for some of you the way it works makes sense, but it totally doesn't for me (and I'm sure, for others).
So, I'm formally requesting to accommodate for users like me who are used to other bitmap editing software were this extremely confusing behavior doesn't happen.

I don't want to have to tweak myriads of brush settings only to avoid something that can be done once and for all by adding a simple option.

The screen record below shows the issue and the fix is not by changing one of the three status option per-brush. A simpler way exists.


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27 minutes ago, verysame said:

I know we had this conversation in the past and I understand for some of you the way it works makes sense, but it totally doesn't for me (and I'm sure, for others).

Sorry, but what I described is exactly how it's working for you, from that video.

I think you chose the 64-point round brush from the Basic category. If you double-click on it  in the Brushes panel to bring up the brush editing window, you should see the following:

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The "factory" setting for that brush is "Dont set wet edges", which is that 3rd setting I mentioned: Leave Wet Edges as it was when you selected the brush. It does not turn Wet Edges on, but neither does it turn it off. The brush is designed to leave the setting alone and work with whatever it finds.

It may not be a setting you like, but if you had a button to say "reset this brush to its default" that is exactly what you'd get.


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9 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Sorry, but what I described is exactly how it's working for you, from that video.

I think you chose the 64-point round brush from the Basic category. If you double-click on it  in the Brushes panel to bring up the brush editing window, you should see the following:

image.png.853a0761b655a6a88eb1aaf3df6efff6.png

The "factory" setting for that brush is "Dont set wet edges", which is that 3rd setting I mentioned: Leave Wet Edges as it was when you selected the brush. It does not turn Wet Edges on, but neither does it turn it off. The brush is designed to leave the setting alone and work with whatever it finds.

It may not be a setting you like, but if you had a button to say "reset this brush to its default" that is exactly what you'd get.

Walt, don't you see how confusing this is?

The round brush doesn't use Wet Edges and so many other brushes. So, switching brush and going back to the round brush I would expect to be using the same exact settings that brush has been shipped with, that is no Wet Edges. Why do we need to complicate things?


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1 minute ago, verysame said:

Why do we need to complicate things?

I don't know why they designed it that way, but they did. I see that some find it confusing.

My point is that the function you asked for "a reset to factory settings" won't resolve the confusion. You need to request something else, perhaps a Preference that says: If a brush specifies "do not set Wet Edges" then turn Wet Edges off.

Then you (and others who don't like the current behavior) can enable that option, and the users who understand the current behavior and like what it does can leave that option disabled.


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Thank you, Walt

The way you say it makes sense. I should be able to change the topic and adjust my initial post.


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You're welcome.


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10 hours ago, verysame said:

The round brush doesn't use Wet Edges

Yes it does.

Think of it as there being 3 separate brush designs

1. Certain brushes are designed to be used with Wet Edges ON to produce the effect they want you to get - so these brushes will explicitly set Wet Edges ON in their brush settings

2. Certain brushes are designed to be used with Wet Edges OFF to produce the effect they want you to get - so these brushes will explicitly set Wet Edges OFF in their brush settings

3. Certain brushes are designed to be used with either Wet Edges ON or OFF depending on the effect you want to get with that brush - so these brushes do not set/change the current setting for Wet Edges

The context menu checkbox for Wet Edges is the master control for whether Wet Edges are set on or off - for brushes that are designed to be used with it set either on or off you will manually set the option in the context toolbar for how you want the brush to paint.

Brushes which are set to explicitly set the option ON will not switch it off when choosing another brush. This is controlled by the next brush you use and if the next brush you use is designed to be explicitly used with set Wet Edges OFF, only then will it switch it OFF.

E.g. Imagine if you are doing a design just using the Round Brushes but you want them all to have Wet Edges set ON. You would first choose one of the Round Brushes then set Wet Edges ON in the Context Toolbar then every other Round Brush you choose will use the setting you have chosen for your design and not change the Wet Edges setting. It would be extremely annoying if when you choose another Round Brush it sets Wet Edges OFF again as this is the (incorrectly) perceived "default" setting for Round Brushes.

 


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12 hours ago, carl123 said:

It would be extremely annoying if when you choose another Round Brush it sets Wet Edges OFF again as this is the (incorrectly) perceived "default" setting for Round Brushes.

As it is for me as I don't use Wet Edges with the basic brushes and every time I switch to a brush that uses it and I go back to the basic brush (or many other brushes from other categories) I have to switch the Wet Edge off. What is even worse, I can't obviously memorize this fastidious setting for all the brushes so for lots of brushes from other categories that don't use the Wet Edge I end up being extremely confused as I can't tell for sure what their original setting was. So, I have to select a basic brush because I know it doesn't use Wet Edge, switch to the other category I want use the brush from, and finally find out what its setting is. Unbelievable.


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