Stokestack Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I cropped an image with the Crop tool, then expanded the canvas to make room for another image. Lo and behold, the cropped-away portions of the image reappeared. I don't want this. I understand there might be some scenario when you want to retain surrounding image data; but since there's a dedicated Crop tool in the palette, it would be nice to have a variant of it that crops destructively. Jowday and Dodgyb2001 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Stokestack said: Lo and behold, the cropped-away portions of the image reappeared. I don't want this. "Rasterize & Trim" does exactly what you want. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 Thanks, but I don't want to rasterize text or other vector content, and I don't want to have to do an additional step every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Stokestack said: Thanks, but I don't want to rasterize text or other vector content On Pixel layer? Alfred 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 The Crop tool is not layer-specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Stokestack said: The Crop tool is not layer-specific. No, but Rasterize & Trim is. You would only use it on the pixel layer(s) that were cropped. Pšenda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 Why should we need to crop something, switch tools, select all pixel layers while carefully omitting vector layers, and do another operation? When I crop something, I mean it. Period. Dodgyb2001 and Julie B 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie B Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Hi, So.... Is there a way to do this? I have been looking at forums and it talks about rasterizing it. I understand that, but what if we want to keep it vector? I can't believe there is still not a simple option for this. Please tell me there is an easy work around. I need to do it destructively for my purposes. Stokestack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie B Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 6:00 AM, Stokestack said: Why should we need to crop something, switch tools, select all pixel layers while carefully omitting vector layers, and do another operation? When I crop something, I mean it. Period. Exactly! Stokestack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Julie B said: I understand that, but what if we want to keep it vector? And why would you "crop" a vector layer? Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfriedberg Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Because conceptually there is something different about clipping or resizing the (vector) canvas that is not conveyed by intersecting/trimming the contents of vector layers with a rectangle. The implementation may well be the same, but the workflow and mindset are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Pšenda said: And why would you "crop" a vector layer? Because you're done composing your layout, and now you want to remove any excess working area around the objects of interest. Notice that I said you're done composing, not editing. So you don't want to rasterize text, for example. Maybe you're going to export several versions, with different text. Or you simply want to revise it in the future. I never had this problem in Photoshop; but I got rid of it, so I can't check its behavior if you actually crop across a vector element (which is generally not what I'm doing). Anyone? Julie B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Stokestack said: So you don't want to rasterize text And why would you do that? You still ignore what was previously written - Rasterize & Trim is done "only" on the image layer you want to destructively crop. That's why my previous question on "crop" - why do Rasterize & Trim on vector data? Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie B Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Pšenda said: And why would you do that? You still ignore what was previously written - Rasterize & Trim is done "only" on the image layer you want to destructively crop. That's why my previous question on "crop" - why do Rasterize & Trim on vector data? I am not understanding what you are asking - I don't want rasterize and trim because I don't want a rater image. All we are asking is "is there a way to crop destructively for various reasons that can not be listed extensively here." Not sure the "why" part is important. I am guessing there is no way to do this then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Pšenda said: why do Rasterize & Trim on vector data? Because that's the only way to truly crop.YOU are the one who pointed this out! Seriously, do you not remember this (you can scroll up to see it): Pšenda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 True cropping of vectors needs to be done with boolean operation which may be complicated. If masking is enough you can do it with a rectangle, either in layer panel or with paste inside. Designer has its own tool it which does the same masking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Stokestack said: Because that's the only way to truly crop.YOU are the one who pointed this out! Seriously, do you not remember this (you can scroll up to see it): Of course I remember - I write about it repeatedly. But it is also repeatedly said that Rasterize & Trim needs to be done "only" on the image data layer that you really need to crop destructively. On 7/21/2020 at 12:11 PM, fde101 said: You would only use it on the pixel layer(s) that were cropped. 9 hours ago, Pšenda said: You still ignore what was previously written - Rasterize & Trim is done "only" on the image layer you want to destructively crop. There is no reason to destroy vector or text layers. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Pšenda said: There is no reason to destroy vector or text layers. Actually, if those layers happen to fall completely outside the boundary of what is being cropped, then to "truly crop" the image they should be removed. If they overlap, then they would need to in effect be converted to curves and a boolean operation performed to split them into the part inside the new boundaries, and the part(s) outside the boundaries, and the parts outside would need to be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Pšenda said: But it is also repeatedly said that Rasterize & Trim needs to be done "only" on the image data layer that you really need to crop destructively. There is no reason to destroy vector or text layers. You said that the only way to truly crop is to rasterize. So now you're saying that you can crop vector layers without rasterizing? But even if cropping left the vectors alone, it would be a step forward. Cropping through a vector does introduce complexity, as in: 3 hours ago, Fixx said: True cropping of vectors needs to be done with boolean operation which may be complicated. If masking is enough you can do it with a rectangle, either in layer panel or with paste inside. Designer has its own tool it which does the same masking. Indeed, which is why I'm curious as to what Photoshop does. Typically all my vectors (almost always text) are inside the crop, so it hasn't been a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alfred Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, haakoo said: Cropping is for (pixel/raster)images only. Or rather, destructive cropping is only for pixel/raster objects. If you want to destructively ‘crop’ vectors to another shape, you need to use Boolean operations (e.g. intersecting with a rectangle or an ellipse). Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alfred Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, haakoo said: <semantics> as cropping ,or trimming as you will, is always destructive otherwise it is known as masking or clipping </semantics> <pedantry> Trimming is always destructive but vector cropping never is. </pedantry> Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pšenda Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, Stokestack said: You said that the only way to truly crop is to rasterize. Of course, if you're talking about "Image data" - that's why your request is in the APhoto section, and the name of the request is "... make the Crop tool really crop". I assume it's obvious that Crop Tool is used to crop image data.https://affinity.help/photo/en-US.lproj/pages/Tools/tools_crop.html 59 minutes ago, Stokestack said: So now you're saying that you can crop vector layers without rasterizing? Of course, there are completely different tools and operations for manipulating vectors. For example, as already mentioned Clipping/Masking, Boolean operations, or the Vector Crop Tool in ADesigner.https://affinity.help/designer/English.lproj/pages/Tools/tools_crop.html Julie B 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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