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When I print a document with text only in Affinity Publisher in a size of 10 point the text will be rasterized.

I changed the color from CMYK (100% Black used only) to Greyness 0. This made no difference. As a test I printed the same text page from InDesign CS5 and there is no rasterization. In the image in the left is the print from Affiniy Publisher and on the right from Indesign CS5.

I work on a Mac Book Pro 10.13.6 and the printer is A HP Laserjet 2300.

Does someone know what I could do to avoid the rasterization?Rasterized.thumb.JPG.8c52b5c229f512c97d2d8bfb42e3c464.JPG

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Can you share the Publisher file here? Usually there is a real reason in the file for rasterization as this should not be happening.

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20 minutes ago, Fixx said:

Can you share the Publisher file here? Usually there is a real reason in the file for rasterization as this should not be happening.

that means that I also need to enclose the font that I am working on or do you want me to outline the text?

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1 minute ago, Joachim_L said:

? I can't see why this page should be rasterised. No effects, just text. The only "problem" I can see, is that the text is not 100% Black.

Thanks for looking. I tried with 100% Black when text is set in CMYK, no difference. The text is still rasterized when printing. Hope someone else in this forum can give some answers.

 

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22 minutes ago, Fixx said:

Text is rich black which means C72M68Y67K88. It will print halftoned.

Make it 100K.

Thank you for your reaction. I set the black on 100k as you can see. Unfortunatly the rasterisation is still on. On the left is a print directly from AP and on the right is the result when I first make a pdf and made a print from the pdf.

For this moment it works to have a good testprint but I really hope this will be solved. It looks like a bug in AP to me.

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Could it be the print 'quality' settings in the print dialogue being set to 'draft' instead of 'High Quality'?


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4 hours ago, GRH said:

Could it be the print 'quality'

Yes, this isn't rasterization problem. Printing image is always rasterized, because printer isn’t vector device as plotter.

It is obvious from the picture that the letters are rendered correctly/cleanly, but a dotted/dashed line is used - something like econo mode to save toner.


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13 hours ago, Nieck said:

I set the black on 100k as you can see.

The file you provided had rich black. 

And no, this is not a rasterization problem but halftoning problem.

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10 hours ago, Pšenda said:

something like econo mode to save toner.

Yes, looks definitely something like that ("Draft", "Fast", etc., different ink/tone saver modes in different printers); many printers have a kind of "medium" quality as the default setting and the desired quality needs to be forced by using the "High quality" or similar setting. It also depends on the print job, colors used in it, line thickness of font that has been used (especially in body text size), etc., whether a lower-quality setting is clearly discernible.

E.g., in this specific situation could well be a combination of sending rich black (where K value is lower than 100) and then printing by using mere black ink / toner.

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Thank you all for the reactions. I looked (again) in my printer settings and tried different settings. Nothing helped, sometimes the prints even get more worse. Enclosed are the used printer- and color settings.

Is it possible that somewhere in AF settings there is something that cause this problem? Because when I print the same text on the same printer from CS5 everything is right. Even when I made a pdf in AF and print that on the same printer with the  settings I normally use the text is not rasterized/halftoning.

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6 minutes ago, Nieck said:

Even when I made a pdf in AF and print that on the same printer with the  settings I normally use the text is not rasterized/halftoning.

Well, if the APub doc when exported as PDF then afterwards prints fine, it sounds overall more like an APub related printing bug here.


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It could actually be the other way around: if you have your document in CMYK color mode, Affinity probably sends your job in CMYK mode to the printer. InDesign by default sends jobs to a local printer as RGB composites. So when your printer gets mere K as black it outputs it as thinner (in fact as kind of dashed) than when the text black would be sent as RGB (0,0,0).

If you get good quality from a PDF created from the job, how did you create the PDF file (depending on the settings, it could have been converted to RGB color mode which would explain the better quality).

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Try changing these settings. Contrary to what I assumed above, it seems that by default Affinity apps also send colors as RGB composite to a local printer. Usually it is a good idea to leave color handling to app (rather than to printer), but trying with different settings should allow you to fix the problem.

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(But there is point in ensuring first that you do not have any of the ink/toner saving settings turned on in the printer driver; these settings are app specific so if you get desired quality when printing from another app, it can also be explained by having used different settings there.)

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34 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

Well, if the APub doc when exported as PDF then afterwards prints fine, it sounds overall more like an APub related printing bug here.

Yes, that is what I assume also.

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31 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

Try changing these settings. Contrary to what I assumed above, it seems that by default Affinity apps also send colors as RGB composite to a local printer. Usually it is a good idea to leave color handling to app (rather than to printer), but trying with different settings should allow you to fix the problem.

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(But there is point in ensuring first that you do not have any of the ink/toner saving settings turned on in the printer driver; these settings are app specific so if you get desired quality when printing from another app, it can also be explained by having used different settings there.)

Lagarto, can you please tell me where I can find this panel?

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11 minutes ago, Nieck said:

Lagarto, can you please tell me where I can find this panel?

It is in the Printer dialog box (File > Print), then "Color Management" in the lower left box of different print options.

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11 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

It is in the Printer dialog box (File > Print), then "Color Management" in the lower left box of different print options.

Thank you Lagarto. I also tried this and changed the settings. Nothing changed, even when I choose another typeface it will be rasterized/halftoning.

Sorry, I quit with AP for the moment. It is so frustrating for everyone that is helping me and nothing changed. Thank you all.

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55 minutes ago, Nieck said:

It is so frustrating for everyone that is helping me and nothing changed. Thank you all.

I can understand the frustration. I opened the Publisher document you had attached, which still had B:0 black assigned to the text (equivalent to RGB 0,0,0) and I printed it onto my Dell laser printer with default settings (meaning that I allowed app-based color handling meaning conversion to sRGB), and had "Office (Normal)" default quality turned on, and used standard 80g laser printer white paper, but the results were quality-wise just fine. But the typeface was of course replaced. 

But based on this I do no think that text color has anything to do with this, or the color mode in which the job is sent to the printer.

2 hours ago, Nieck said:

Thank you all for the reactions. I looked (again) in my printer settings and tried different settings. Nothing helped, sometimes the prints even get more worse. Enclosed are the used printer- and color settings.

Just to confirm, was the screenshot taken when you accessed the printer driver from within Publisher (or when accessing it from within some other app, or via Control Panel / System Preferences)?

The "EconoMode" setting "Highest Quality" is a bit ambivalent, but it probably means "OFF"? This printer also has a tone density setting (from 1 to 5, default being 3), but it seems this setting cannot be accessed here. But it could also be something that explains this.

Have you ensured that this happens consistently in all Publisher documents no matter which font is used?

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possible that when directly printing from publisher he uses a pixel version he cached for displaying the font and not using the actual font. 

just write PDFs mane, its the proper workflow and seems to work no?

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4 hours ago, Lagarto said:

Just to confirm, was the screenshot taken when you accessed the printer driver from within Publisher (or when accessing it from within some other app, or via Control Panel / System Preferences)?

The screenshot was indeed made within Publisher.

 

But I think (hope) I found the solution.

In the Document Setup -> Colour the Colour Format was on CMYK/8 and the Colour Profile was (the default) W.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2.

When I switched this to Grey/16 and Black& White the print was good. I could not imagine that it would be a problem so far, it doesn't matter in InDesign.

 

Thanks everyone for your help!

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