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I can understand how you can feel that way. I throw a ton of money at hobby software and hardware for my sound design. I was hoping to upgrade to Komplete 14 but because it's a hobby I can't justify the cost. I'm not upset with Native Instruments, though.

The problem is that Serif do make comments in the forums, but some people insist on, at best, ignoring them, and, at worst, implying that they are lying!
I don't think that Serif should have to "make us believe" anything! They make as much information public as is appropriate for any company which is working on new products or new versions of existing products.

Maybe it is just me but I think common sense should be enough for anyone with even a tiny bit of computer experience to understand that there is no document open then the document window will either be empty or if it was closed in the usual fashion before it was last quit then it may still be closed the next time the app is run.
Similarly, if the app seems non-responsive but the main menubar is visible, the first thing I think common sense would suggest to try is to see if any of the menu options (like new or open) will work.
Personally, i only want to see 'nag screens' telling me the consequences of what I am trying to do if I am about to do something non-reversible, like closing a document with unsaved changes without saving it. For me, accidentally hitting the Tab key to hide the UI does not qualify for this because it is easily undone. Similarly, I do not want any other easily undoable action pop up a warning about its consequences enabled by default just for beginners for two reasons. One is because there are quite a few things any user could do by accident that would qualify for such warnings & it would be tedious to have to turn them all off. The other is users would have to wade through even more user preference settings to find them all & turn them off, one by one.
So as a compromise, maybe the apps could show this kind of warning just once, the first time the app was run & that action was performed.

The last time I took a look at Linux, I thought someone had booted me back to MS DOS. Arcane interface. Arcane instructions to run anything. Arcane instructions to shove anything to a printer.  Need I go on?

Stop these insults, or leave the forums

Excuse me for starting on a semi-offtopic note, but in the DxO Photolab forums there was recently this thread. You'd deem it innocuous had it not come up just a few days after the last post in this monstrosity.
Now, unlike Affinity Photo, DxO Photolab is not a 50$ general imaging software, but rather a 220$ specialized RAW developer. You could call it a photo workflow app, but its database/DAM capabilities are rather limited and its pixel editing tools non-existent, i.e. it usually needs both a front-end app for culling photos and a back-end layer based one in order to form a smooth workflow. Something like On1 pretty much provides all three of these steps at just a 100$, as well as even more features in the actual development stage. So, why choose DxO then? Superior RAW rendering, optics module and noise reduction. An obsession with pure image quality is literally the only reason one would pick Photolab over anything else in the field. So, we can all imagine that a Linux version of this app is going to become a hit and sell like hotcakes, right? After all, that's what Linux users tell us. If only DxO take 4-5 months out of their yearly development cycle just so they can port it...
So, @MattyWSyou wonder why people are hostile to your request? We wouldn't mind if you pestered Adobe or some other corporate monolith about Linux. But what you are trying to achieve here is to actively deceive a small independent company that Linux is a financially viable market. Sure, Serif are in all probability smart enough to ignore this, but that doesn't excuse the desire to push them into a venture that would both harm them financially and severely slow down the development of what they already have. In this sense, your request is objectively malignant. Not intentionally so, I'm sure, but still ignorant at best and morally objectionable.
But most of all, it's self-centered. Consider this: There are a lot of request threads for an Affinity DAM (the number is comparable to the Linux threads, actually). You don't see any resistance there, do you? Now, I positively don't need nor care about an Affinity DAM, but I still support it. Why? Because it'd be beneficial to Serif; it's the missing link in their suite that would allow most photographers to switch over from Adobe. On the other hand, I personally could certainly use an Affinity After Effects alternative much more than the DAM, but I wouldn't request it. I realize it's a bad business idea. And indeed, there is skepticism in such threads. You see, the world doesn't revolve around me/you. One has to think about the future of his chosen software. I do care about the future of Affinity because I have invested in the apps (time much more so than money).
In the last 5-8 years, we've had a lot of small creative software studios that punch well above their weight and provide rather valuable alternatives to the industry giants. Please, do not take this for granted - they are already utilizing all of their resources. Stop trying to push them into doomed ventures just because it suits you. A few - even a few hundred - users on a forum do not demonstrate actual demand. By the sheer virtue of being here, you are already an edge case and not representative. Just for a moment, step out of your VFX industry bubble and look at the world. A for-profit business doesn't have any moral obligation to think about The Future of Computing (TM) and try to push an outlier OS at their expense. This is not a chicken and egg situation - we all know what comes first. It's not the commercial software.  

Build C64 app:
https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/BASIC

For further clarification; Affinity Animate will most likely never happen.

Been a user of Serif products for as long as I can remember and very rarely commented (in fact I had to make a new account just to post on these new forums! (and misspelt my name)
I've been watching this topic since the start and have a couple of things to say:
I'm in the same position as a few people on here. It would be nice for me to use Linux day-to-day but there are a few programs which I want to use and only run on Windows; the Affinity software amongst others. It would be great, for me personally, if Serif decided to make Linux versions or even just modify them so that Wine could handle them. I am, though, old-school and choose my O/S to run the software I need, not the other way around.
However; I understand how business models work. Serif will have paid for market research and/or conducted their own market research into this topic. No-one on this forum is privy to these results so we can't comment about how many users would, or would not, use Linux versions. The whole point of market research is that, unless there is an overwhelming need, the company will keep quiet on the results. Openly available "statistics" are generally presented by special interest groups and can should be taken with a pinch of salt when making business decisions.
It has to be remembered, as well, that Serif are not out to manipulate the market. Why would a company create software for an operating system in the hope that users will migrate to that OS and therefore create a market? Especially when that software is available on the two main desktop OSs. In order to encourage Linux uptake they would have to stop distributing Windows and Mac versions which is commercially unviable.
The actual demographic they are looking at are potential users of their software who exclusively use Linux. Anyone who uses multiple OSs will simply buy that software on another platform (it doesn't mean they would buy it twice so it's still only one sale).
Serif will make any decision based on a proper business practice. They are unlikely to take much notice of a few users on their forums.

Me! And others, from what I’ve seen on this thread.
However, it seems Linux has lost out in the cross-platform usability stakes. So much today is done on hand-held devices and this as we know, is dominated by iOS & Android. The ability to switch between desktop and hand-held is a must-have in business/productivity and in the desktop creative world, Mac & Windows dominate. I don’t think Affinity will port to Linux as long as they can seamlessly go from iPad to Mac & Windows desktops.
I’m going to start experimenting with Mac running on Sosumi on Linux with hardware pass-through. I’d build another Hackintosh, but Apple’s proprietary CPUs will eventually kill bare-metal installs, so KVM pass-through looks like the longterm ‘Hackintosh’ future. If Apple didn’t insist on making their factory stuff impossible to upgrade I’d likely invest in another one. 
 
Windows 10 continues to annoy me after every update with its auto-resets, so I run the ‘Shut Up Win 10’ app after every update. But Linux is just so ‘no-nonsense’ in its outlook. Microsoft could make a killing with a version of Windows just to run pure productivity software - no games or fun. To run music recording software on a Windows box without interruption requires the switching off of a lot of background crap. Again, Linux would be great, but there is next to no development for industry-standard VSTi plug-ins. So everyone is forced back to Win/Mac because people just don’t have the time in their lives to fight to make stuff work on Linux and the software creators go with the market share. People just want to get things done at the end of the day.

If you need it and Linux does not have it then again Linux is not for you. Nothing wrong with asking or wishing for it to be on Linux but it is not owed to you and it is not something people should grumble about if Serif does not do what Linux users want them to do. For me the OS is secondary, if Adobe was only on Windows then I would use Windows. In general I like the UI better on Mac but I spend the majority of my time in Indesign/Illustrator and sometimes Photoshop. The OS is just a means to working with these apps and I care less and less about them as I find both Windows and Mac OS to be well thought out and usable for navigating files and everything I need. I would never chose the OS over the software I need to run.

No one is forcing you to do anything. If you can't do what you need to do with Linux then Linux is not for you. Software developers do not owe you or the Linux community anything, they are a business looking to make money while providing a product they are passionate about. I think they have been clear with their intentions and directions thus far. 
You certainly can keep using Photoshop though if Affinity Photo did everything you needed to do not sure why you would continue to pay monthly for Photoshop when you can get Photos for a very cheap price.
 

I don't like the logic of Coolermaster for doing that or anyone who supported it (or the concept of it).  I'd pay money to *subtract* from their kickstarter fund as punishment for insulting us.   
Ok, Imagine if Microsoft started a gofundme project.  How completely insane would that be?  You'd pitch in? 

Kickstarter and gofundme are for small endeavors to get off the ground. (And/or individuals with financial problems that are of no fault of the their own.)  

As for "voting with our dollars" haha, no the way we "vote with our dollars" is whether or not we buy a product. Not give free money for a company to make it. 

What you're advocating it letting companies push the burden of risk onto the consumer.  No, that's no how business works. The producer has the burden.  It's called capitalism. "ROI".   
EDIT: I took out the word "silly" apparently that's like "extreme" or something.   bog  
 

I have found this strange as well and there have been many posts with people saying they are willing to pay more for a Linux version. I would be furious if they released an app for Windows and then charged more for the Mac version that is the exact same thing. 

It might've been worth it to RTFT before posting; the idea of doing crowd-funding for a private company is absurd. This isn't like crowdfunding an open source project.  Why the hell would we be paying for a private company (as in not open source) to make a profit from funding their development?  That makes no sense. 

Here: would you do a "pay-before-model fundraising" for a Microsoft product? 

Wait you mean give money to serif to do it??!! hahahaaaaahhahaa They're not open source man.  It's like, hey serif, here's our money for you to make a new product to profit from.  haha

They do listen to their users, they are just not doing what you want. This is a business and they owe nothing to anyone. Now with that said it is good for business to have a good relationship with your users obviously. In this case I would say they just do not have the resources to support a 3rd (4th counting iOS) OS for a very small user base. There is a reason Adobe is not on Linux, they are a company with money and resources to spare and they have opted out after market research. This does not mean it will never happen but it is not at a place yet where they think they will make any money (my assumption). I believe the same is for Serif, they are a much much much smaller company with a product still in V1. It is being refined and they are still adding features to V1 and not saving them for a V2 release, which I think in many cases would have been warranted. They have been very generous in my opinion with these feature rich updates. 
Not sure what Steam being on Linux has to do with Affinity. Didn't Steam drop one of the major distros of Linux as well last year?

Hi @tytus 01UNIT,
(I'm writing the following as a serious respons but also with a twinkle in my eyes)
With all due respect. The last thing I want to see is Google investing in Serif. Do you remember Picasa?
If you want to use Affinity then please use an OS that it was made for. There are three to choose from, already  🙂
Cheers,
d.

@Nick Labo
Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums  
It is of course very flattering, and it is clear there would be interest from Linux users. We are currently still focusing all our efforts on the existing supported OS's and also expanding the suite so that Publisher can work on the iPad.

I'll just reiterate right fast that if the Affinity suite were to come to Linux, I'd buy them.
...and I've already bought all three previously. Two of them at full price. This makes me super important, and my opinion extra valuable.

This ongoing thread cracks me up.
There isn't a real linux desktop market, and its very unlikely to evolve, for multiple well-known reasons. Even Linus has long ago dismissed that the "year of the linux desktop" will ever come. Linux dominates the embedded and headless server space, but isn't a compelling market for users outside of a few developers who don't come up for air above the terminal-editor level. The very culture of the linux core audience, keeps it from developing a canonical full-stack framework and singular OS distro, high quality UI/UX, or attract the non-programmer designer and business talent to ever make the market successful.
Anybody who is betting on a linux market to emerge for consumer software is kidding themselves. Hasn't happen in 25 years, no indicators that the market changing.

That pretty well sums up the current state of this (& the other related) topic. Basically, ignoring the noise from all sides, various Linux advocates continue to post what amounts to 'it's time to do this now' arguments of various kinds ... & every so often someone from Serif posts what amounts to a 'no, we don't think it is' reply.

This is not a democracy, it's a private business. Customer views are interesting but not a deciding factor. MEB has put Serif's side well already.

Sorry, but we currently have no plans to release on Linux