benwiggy Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I've just been tearing my hair out trying to work out my leading wasn't working -- and all because of "Leading Override" in Character style. What on earth is the point of that? And any reason why it sets it own arbitrary value when you've expressly set the leading in the Paragraph panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, benwiggy said: What on earth is the point of that? To allow you to have a part of a paragraph (the line(s) containing a particular character or word or phrase) with different leading from the rest of the paragraph. 17 minutes ago, benwiggy said: And any reason why it sets it own arbitrary value It doesn't, that I've ever noticed. Perhaps you set it accidentally? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, benwiggy said: And any reason why it sets it own arbitrary value when you've expressly set the leading in the Paragraph panel? Like @walt.farrell said, it doesn't do that by itself. By default it is set to 'auto' (indicated in the numeric filed by parentheses around the displayed number), where the default is determined by the font size of the selection. One not so obvious way to reset it to the default is to type just "()" in the Leading Override field (without the quotes). That will automatically set it to the default when you leave that field. soapman 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benwiggy Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 It seems to be setting that value in .indl imports. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have set such a thing in InDesign, even if it existed. Even so, anything that negates the behaviour of another attribute should have some kind of 'flag' showing that the overridden value is currently not taking effect. Workflows often involve multiple people, who may not realise what someone else has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, benwiggy said: Even so, anything that negates the behaviour of another attribute should have some kind of 'flag' showing that the overridden value is currently not taking effect. Depending on what different users might consider to override some attribute of one or more object types, that could include just about anything that is not purposely set as a default. So just for text objects, in the Character panel alone among other things that could include any or all 8 positioning & transform attributes if they are not set to the defaults. In the paragraph panel, that could include any paragraph not using the same text attributes as all the others in the same text block (whether it is frame text or art text object). For any kind of object, a non-zero shear or rotation could be considered an override of the defaults, as could any color that is not the same in every instance of that object type. Beyond that, there is the entire Defaults system built into the apps with sync, save, revert, & factory reset to consider, & all the different text styles any document could have. Basically, there are not many places where any number of attributes might typically override or even completely negate the effect of some other attribute(s) in all but the simplest of projects. So minimally, for this to be useful there would need to be some way for each user to define what kind of attributes they would want to see flagged if they were not set to the defaults, & also some way to specify what they would consider to be document or application defaults. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapman Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 12/28/2021 at 4:06 PM, R C-R said: Like @walt.farrell said, it doesn't do that by itself. By default it is set to 'auto' (indicated in the numeric filed by parentheses around the displayed number), where the default is determined by the font size of the selection. One not so obvious way to reset it to the default is to type just "()" in the Leading Override field (without the quotes). That will automatically set it to the default when you leave that field. THANK YOU! this has been driving me crazy for years. Sometimes i wish they just had a "easy mode" toggle that disables and removes half the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPScot Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 The character override suggestion solved this problem for me. The leading issue is only appearing on imported InDesign files, so I think it's a 'feature' in the process. For me it's a very small price to pay for being able to use port legacy documents across to Publisher. These forums are a gold mine of tips and I can always find answers to any issues I'm experiencing. Thanks to all who contribute! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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