Elements on Master Page(s)

[Petar Petrenko 323]

Hi,

here it is my suggestion we talk about. I would like to see all elements on Master Pages to be editable in document spreads as it is possible in Quark (without taking any additional action).

[fde101 414]

Turn off sync in the Symbols studio and unlock the master page layer in the Layers studio and you can do this already?

[walt.farrell 1,033]

9 minutes ago, fde101 said:

Turn off sync in the Symbols studio and unlock the master page layer in the Layers studio and you can do this already?

Petar is talking about the new functionality in 1.7.0.221, I believe, which is intended to replace that old workaround.

[Petar Petrenko 323]

34 minutes ago, AdamW said:

In our model, and I believe Quark is similar, changing an object attribute causes it to become unlinked from the master version. Once unlinked, changes made to the attribute on the master will not be reflected. That's why we think you should have to explicitly choose to do this.

As Patrick says though, further discussion on this topic should be moved to a separate thread.

I still think Quark's model is better even if the link with master page will be broken. Your model is the same as in InDesign.

[Petar Petrenko 323]

Quark also has "Preferences > Default Print Layout > General > Master Page Items: Keep/Delete Changes" when reapplying the Master Page.

[elmonopascual 5]

Hi. The problem I see with this, is that you can accidentally move some master page element when working on a page and the mistake will propagate accross all pages. In my opinion turning on explicitly the edit mode is a safety step. To make all us happy, this behavior could be configurable under preferences.

[Petar Petrenko 323]

24 minutes ago, elmonopascual said:

Hi. The problem I see with this, is that you can accidentally move some master page element when working on a page and the mistake will propagate accross all pages. In my opinion turning on explicitly the edit mode is a safety step. To make all us happy, this behavior could be configurable under preferences.

Editing master object on a specific page does not reflect on all the other master page objects.

[elmonopascual 5]

Hi Petar. I understand what you say now. You mean freely edit a master page object on any page, only for that page.
Anyway, I think is good that certain properties of master pages objects be locked by default to prevent accidentally move them (or change them) because master page objects are "suppossed to be the same on all pages", at least initially (of course with the possibility of unlock them).
For me is a question of agility / safety that could be configured depending how the user feels more comfortable.

[Petar Petrenko 323]

36 minutes ago, elmonopascual said:

Hi Petar. I understand what you say now. You mean freely edit a master page object on any page, only for that page.
Anyway, I think is good that certain properties of master pages objects be locked by default to prevent accidentally move them (or change them) because master page objects are "suppossed to be the same on all pages", at least initially (of course with the possibility of unlock them).
For me is a question of agility / safety that could be configured depending how the user feels more comfortable.

There is a lock/unlock feature in Publisher, so you can protect any object you need.

Yes, they are supposed to be located on identical coordinates, but in some cases there is a reason to change some attributes (like possition, size, color...)

[fde101 414]

Found it.

Right-click on the master layer in the Layers studio and there is now a set of four options in the context menu, one of which can be active at a time:

• Edit Detached - this does what you are asking for.  It allows you to select items from the Master and move them around, keeping the changes independent for that page.
• Edit Linked - this allows you to select items from the Master and move them around, but changes are propagaed back to the Master and other pages that were not modified by editing detached
• Edit Frame Content - this is the new default behavior, in which you can enter text and the like but the positions of Master page items are locked down
• Lock - this one prevents you from even editing text in Master page items. 

 

So it looks like they already did this - you just need to tell it what mode you want to be in.

[Petar Petrenko 323]

Sorry for this late reaction.

What about this:

Yoi put a table(s) on a master page (as templates) with added columns and rows headers and now you have to populate the empty fields on the working pages. And you have a few hundred pages. So, you have to unlock the master layer on every page to be able to work on it? It is very time consuming. That is why I insist on Quark's way if master pages solution.

[fde101 414]

24 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

put a table(s) on a master page (as templates) with added columns and rows headers and now you have to populate the empty fields on the working pages.

You can do this in the default "Edit Frame Content" mode.

 

25 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

So, you have to unlock the master layer on every page to be able to work on it?

Only if you locked it on every page, and I'm not sure why you would do that?

 

27 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

That is why I insist on Quark's way if master pages solution.

Then use Quark.