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Hello,

It would be interesting to be able to pin images behind text. Currently, images are positioned over text only.

This would make it possible, for example, to create a title background that follows the text as it is modified.

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+1

In the meantime, here is a workaround. Draw a frame for the text to be positioned over the image. Group that frame and the image and then pin the group into the main text frame.

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1 hour ago, MikeTO said:

+1

In the meantime, here is a workaround. Draw a frame for the text to be positioned over the image. Group that frame and the image and then pin the group into the main text frame.

Yes, it works. But the document hierarchy is broken. I guess the automatic summaries can't keep up.

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27 minutes ago, SilvRO said:

Yes, it works. But the document hierarchy is broken. I guess the automatic summaries can't keep up.

Yes, if you have a heading in the pinned frame, it will be out of sequence for the TOC and PDF bookmarks if there are other headings on the page.

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1 hour ago, MikeTO said:

Yes, if you have a heading in the pinned frame, it will be out of sequence for the TOC and PDF bookmarks if there are other headings on the page.

Interesting. I thought that the TOC order (at least) allowed for Pinned text frames when figuring out the order within a single page. But I'm not sure I ever tested that myself.

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28 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Interesting. I thought that the TOC order (at least) allowed for Pinned text frames when figuring out the order within a single page. But I'm not sure I ever tested that myself.

Oh you're right, it would work.

@SilvRO If your document is structured as follows:

First heading 1
First heading 2
<pinned text frame with Second heading 1
    and Second Heading 2>
Third heading 1
Third heading 2

The TOC and PDB bookmarks will both be properly structured and nested.

The only issue would be is if you're numbering your headings. In that case, all the headings in the main story will be numbered before the headings in the pinned frame. Global lists (running lists) won't solve this problem.

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9 hours ago, thomaso said:

+ 1

(in the meantime another workaround (quick+dirty): Change the blend mode of the pinned layer, for example to Multiply.

I've used this subterfuge before. But it means having black text and being careful about over-inking.

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56 minutes ago, SilvRO said:

But it means having black text and being careful about over-inking.

Not necessarily. Possible variants depend on brightness + colour of the image and text and on your taste (while some cause rasterization on export).

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Regarding TIC + black text I wonder how much it matters effectively in a printing process, considering that a single overlapping area (a text character) is rather small (font weight/size).

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20 hours ago, thomaso said:

Not necessarily. Possible variants depend on brightness + colour of the image and text and on your taste (while some cause rasterization on export).

Regarding TIC + black text I wonder how much it matters effectively in a printing process, considering that a single overlapping area (a text character) is rather small (font weight/size).

Yes, it's possible to vary the blend modes. But if I have, for example, a textured background, white text and a background image multiplied, it's unmanageable.

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31 minutes ago, SilvRO said:

a textured background, white text and a background image

Unfortunately, your screenshot doesn't show information about layers and blend modes and about the desired versus the resulting appearance. – So just in case: To prevent the image + its blend mode from reacting with a Background image you can group image + text above the Background and switch the Group from blend mode "Passthrough" to blend mode "normal". – Nevertheless, indeed you can't preserve every text colour with this blend mode workaround, while the implementation of your feature request could solve this limitation.

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1 hour ago, thomaso said:

Unfortunately, your screenshot doesn't show information about layers and blend modes and about the desired versus the resulting appearance. – So just in case: To prevent the image + its blend mode from reacting with a Background image you can group image + text above the Background and switch the Group from blend mode "Passthrough" to blend mode "normal". – Nevertheless, indeed you can't preserve every text colour with this blend mode workaround, while the implementation of your feature request could solve this limitation.

 

Sorry, but I have no problem getting the result I want. I was just suggesting an improvement to the pins to avoid fiddling.

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