Peter Mican Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Hi, Is it possible to switch from +/- 180 degree to 360 degrees rotation angles ? That would make working with angles sooooo much easier. Thank you very much. Aammppaa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komatös Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Peter Mican said: Hi, Is it possible to switch from +/- 180 degree to 360 degrees rotation angles ? Short: No! Peter Mican 1 Quote MAC mini M4 | MacOS Sequoia 15.2 | 16 GB RAM | 256 GB SSD AMD Ryzen 7 5700X | INTEL Arc A770 LE 16 GB | 32 GB DDR4 3200MHz | Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.2605) Affinity Suite V 2.5.7 & Beta 2.6 (latest) Interested in a free (selfhosted) PDF Solution? Have a look at Stirling PDF Ferengi Acquisition Rule No. 49: “A deal is a deal is a deal.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Thanks for your quick response Therefore, I have to live with it as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, Komatös said: Short: No! Thanks for your quick response Therefore, I have to live with it as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komatös Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 21 minutes ago, Peter Mican said: Thanks for your quick response You are welcome! You can enter values between 0° and 359°, but these are converted into values in the range 0° to -/+180°. Quote MAC mini M4 | MacOS Sequoia 15.2 | 16 GB RAM | 256 GB SSD AMD Ryzen 7 5700X | INTEL Arc A770 LE 16 GB | 32 GB DDR4 3200MHz | Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.2605) Affinity Suite V 2.5.7 & Beta 2.6 (latest) Interested in a free (selfhosted) PDF Solution? Have a look at Stirling PDF Ferengi Acquisition Rule No. 49: “A deal is a deal is a deal.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, Komatös said: You are welcome! You can enter values between 0° and 359°, but these are converted into values in the range 0° to -/+180°. Does not work for me ???? If I put in 190 degree rotation, I get an angle of -170 degree ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bit Disappointed Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Peter Mican said: Hi, Is it possible to switch from +/- 180 degree to 360 degrees rotation angles ? That would make working with angles sooooo much easier. Thank you very much. The panel does support 360 degrees to the extent that if you enter a value such as 270, it is converted to -90 for you. It varies how programs handle angles in the transform panel. Amadine seems to be your friend, also allowing one to visually see or adjust the angle within a circle as well. Aammppaa 1 Quote I simply no longer believe that there are any professional graphic designers here. Everything follows suit. Just everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Bit Arts said: The panel does support 360 degrees to the extent that if you enter a value such as 270, it is converted to -90 for you. It varies how programs handle angles in the transform panel. Amadine seems to be your friend, also allowing one to visually see or adjust the angle within a circle as well. Yeah, but this is strange, I am used to working with 360 degrees, with 0 in the north position ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bit Disappointed Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 49 minutes ago, Peter Mican said: Yeah, but this is strange, I am used to working with 360 degrees, with 0 in the north position ... The answer is math: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1834679/is-there-a-mathematical-reason-why-rotation-in-the-counterclockwise-direction-po As a user says: Quote In graphics, a common convention is that one starts at the top and rotates clockwise. The existence of different conventions increases the probability of error. I guess the internet can discuss this a fortnight, but it's a bit sad that not many have made an alternative option for all graphic designers who have needs that don't lean directly on trigonometry and this notation. Amadine took a chance. I guess the company thought that their customer base understands 0-360 degrees better, and I don't think the developers behind Amadine are unfamiliar with trigonometry. 🙂 The company just chose differently. Have fun with the different notations and math: Larry Rooney 1 Quote I simply no longer believe that there are any professional graphic designers here. Everything follows suit. Just everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, Bit Arts said: The answer is math: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1834679/is-there-a-mathematical-reason-why-rotation-in-the-counterclockwise-direction-po As a user says: I guess the internet can discuss this a fortnight, but it's a bit sad that not many have made an alternative option for all graphic designers who have needs that don't lean directly on trigonometry and this notation. Amadine took a chance. I guess the company thought that their customer base understands 0-360 degrees better, and I don't think the developers behind Amadine are unfamiliar with trigonometry. 🙂 The company just chose differently. I run on Windows, Amadine will not work dor me ;-( .... Of course there is a mathematical workaround and I use it ... but why make it soooo difficult for an easy rotation job ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bit Disappointed Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Peter Mican said: I run on Windows, Amadine will not work dor me ;-( .... Of course there is a mathematical workaround and I use it ... but why make it soooo difficult for an easy rotation job ???? It's always a risk with engineers behind software, but there are also good reasons for it for some illustrators and technical designers, and it's pretty much industry standard. It's just sad that there isn't an alternative for the many graphic designers who are completely independent of trigonomic notation and who should have a logical clockwise and 360 degree alternative that is more visual and that follows knowledge from the world. Like you. Larry Rooney 1 Quote I simply no longer believe that there are any professional graphic designers here. Everything follows suit. Just everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Bit Arts said: It's always a risk with engineers behind software, but there are also good reasons for it for some illustrators and technical designers, and it's pretty much industry standard. It's just sad that there isn't an alternative for the many graphic designers who are completely independent of trigonomic notation and who should have a logical clockwise and 360 degree alternative that is more visual and that follows knowledge from the world. Like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Affinity follows here in the transform panel the common from school known coordinate system & triangle ruler. In some other graphics related apps (especially most better CAD programs here) these things (coordinate systems & 360° rotation angles) are definable and can be setup accordingly on user demand. Barry Newman and Komatös 1 1 Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Newman Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Ah, the conundrum of trigonometry and its 180-degree notation, a topic that can indeed perplex even the most astute minds. Allow me to elucidate this matter in a manner befitting the complexity of the subject at hand. The crux of the issue lies in the fundamental disconnect between the mathematical world and the experiential world. Mathematics, in its purest form, is a language of precision, a tool for expressing the exactitudes of the universe. It is a realm where a circle is divided into 2 radians, equivalent to 360 degrees. This division is not arbitrary but is based on the properties of a circle and the number a mathematical constant that is the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter. However, for the layperson, the world is not experienced in radians but in degrees. When we think of a circle, we think of it as being divided into 360 degrees, a concept ingrained in us from a young age. This is the language of navigation, of maps, of time. It is a language that is intuitive and experiential, not mathematical. The 180-degree notation of trigonometry, therefore, can be a source of confusion. It is a mathematical construct, not an experiential one. When we rotate an object, we do not think in terms of 180 degrees or radians. We think in terms of a full rotation, a full circle, which is 360 degrees. In essence, the 180-degree notation is a mathematical abstraction that does not align with our intuitive understanding of rotation. It is a language that speaks to the precision of mathematics, not the imprecision of human experience. And that, in a nutshell, is why trigonometry with 180-degree notation can be a challenging concept for the non-mathematician to grasp. It is a clash of languages, a clash of worlds. It is the eternal struggle between the exactitude of mathematics and the imprecision of human experience. And it is a reminder that, while mathematics can describe the world, it is not always the language of our lived experience. Chrisly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 23 minutes ago, Barry Newman said: Ah, the conundrum of trigonometry and its 180-degree notation, a topic that can indeed perplex even the most astute minds. Allow me to elucidate this matter in a manner befitting the complexity of the subject at hand. The crux of the issue lies in the fundamental disconnect between the mathematical world and the experiential world. Mathematics, in its purest form, is a language of precision, a tool for expressing the exactitudes of the universe. It is a realm where a circle is divided into 2 radians, equivalent to 360 degrees. This division is not arbitrary but is based on the properties of a circle and the number a mathematical constant that is the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter. However, for the layperson, the world is not experienced in radians but in degrees. When we think of a circle, we think of it as being divided into 360 degrees, a concept ingrained in us from a young age. This is the language of navigation, of maps, of time. It is a language that is intuitive and experiential, not mathematical. The 180-degree notation of trigonometry, therefore, can be a source of confusion. It is a mathematical construct, not an experiential one. When we rotate an object, we do not think in terms of 180 degrees or radians. We think in terms of a full rotation, a full circle, which is 360 degrees. In essence, the 180-degree notation is a mathematical abstraction that does not align with our intuitive understanding of rotation. It is a language that speaks to the precision of mathematics, not the imprecision of human experience. And that, in a nutshell, is why trigonometry with 180-degree notation can be a challenging concept for the non-mathematician to grasp. It is a clash of languages, a clash of worlds. It is the eternal struggle between the exactitude of mathematics and the imprecision of human experience. And it is a reminder that, while mathematics can describe the world, it is not always the language of our lived experience. Well explained... I just like to rotate an object without a Dr. degree from MIT in a simple and understandable way. I use 360 degree circles for 65 years and had no problem with that.... I sailed the seven seas with a sextant and used 360 degrees... Why suddenly this has to be changed to make it inconvenient ????? I will survive it Barry Newman and Westerwälder 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 hours ago, Peter Mican said: Does not work for me ???? If I put in 190 degree rotation, I get an angle of -170 degree ??? Why do you say it does not work for you? Isn't it the same amount of rotation, just using a different convention? Komatös 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.6 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, R C-R said: Why do you say it does not work for you? Isn't it the same amount of rotation, just using a different convention? I'm with @Peter Mican why complicate something, isn't the best policy to end up at the lowest common denominator, isn't it good to give people a way to work that suits their way of thinking. My brain doesn't automatically think that circle is two 180º arcs, I think it's a complete 360º circle. +1 for a 360º dial that starts with 0 at the top. Be more amadine Peter Mican, Aammppaa and Bit Disappointed 1 2 Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 6 hours ago, R C-R said: Why do you say it does not work for you? Isn't it the same amount of rotation, just using a different convention? I have to place items, which are placed in a 360-degree circle. For example, placing an item at 225 degrees in a 360 circle, I have to input 360-225 !!! Placing an item on 120 degrees in a 369 circle, I have to input -120 !!! That makes no sense at all to me and is prune to mistakes... Why not using a simple 360-degree circle, which is standard since millennia ??? Ask anyone on the street how many degrees are in a circle ? You will NEVER get the answer +/- 180 degrees, period !!! Why we don't communicate in a computer coding language ? Because no one would understand it !!! We are using a common well-known language for communicating. No problem at all....so from now on we use coding language for everything. Why not? </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/jquery-3.4.1.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/jquery-ui.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/datepicker-de.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/jquery.ui.touch-punch.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/jqmath-etc-0.4.0.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/cola.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/dagre.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/colorbrewer.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="js/html2canvas.min.js"></script> Try using a +/- 180 degree circle for navigation on a nautical chart with a sextant. Good luck with that... It seems, that the education system has nothing other to do than to change everything and making everything more complicated. khanzain and R C-R 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, firstdefence said: I'm with @Peter Mican why complicate something, isn't the best policy to end up at the lowest common denominator, isn't it good to give people a way to work that suits their way of thinking. My brain doesn't automatically think that circle is two 180º arcs, I think it's a complete 360º circle. +1 for a 360º dial that starts with 0 at the top. Be more amadine Totally agree .... why a circle has to start with = at east (90 deg) ??? Everything starts with 0 deg at North, fore millennia .... I just make sense, at least for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, Peter Mican said: ... in a 360-degree circle ... Of course it's overall easier to handle and more intuitive for people to deal with common 360° angles here and thus to use such input UI elements instead. - No need to ask! Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, v_kyr said: Of course it's overall easier to handle and more intuitive for people to deal with common 360° angles here and thus to use such input UI elements instead. - No need to ask! I asked, because this is not possible in Affinity Designer !!! AD uses +/- 180 deg. circles.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 17 minutes ago, Peter Mican said: I asked, because this is not possible in Affinity Designer !!! AD uses +/- 180 deg. circles.... I know, but it could be made adaptable for the transform panel too, as it's finally just a matter of UI element and range value customization/usage. - As for other UI element customizations (certain predefined shape types) do also offer common 360° setups. Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mican Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, v_kyr said: I know, but it could be made adaptable for the transform panel too, as it's finally just a matter of UI element and range value customization/usage. - As for other UI element customizations (certain predefined shape types) do also offer common 360° setups. Hopefully, this will be implemented in AD, sooooo simple to do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 hours ago, v_kyr said: Of course it's overall easier to handle and more intuitive for people to deal with common 360° angles here and thus to use such input UI elements instead. - No need to ask! How do you find the centre of the monitor and does it come with a 3M adhesive pad Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 6 hours ago, Peter Mican said: Placing an item on 120 degrees in a 369 circle, I have to input -120 !!! That makes no sense at all to me and is prune to mistakes... Now Peter, you know 369º = 9º and prune mistakes are definitely not something I want lol 6 hours ago, Peter Mican said: Ask anyone on the street how many degrees are in a circle ? You will NEVER get the answer +/- 180 degrees, period !!! I'm going to start saying this just to laugh at the expressions on peoples faces lol! R C-R and Peter Mican 2 Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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