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Is It Possible To Have Master Page Elements Above and Below Content?


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I'm coming over from Adobe InDesign, and one of the things I made lots of use of in that program was the fact that Master Pages shared a layer structure with the main document, so I could have elements in the Master that sat above AND below content in the main pages. I'll attach an example of what I mean.

In the attached image, the green background (visible on top of the image) is part of the master page, and the frame (part of which is overlapping the image) is visible on top of the illustration.

In the second image you can see what transferring a similar page to APub did to it, since the master page is crunched into a single layer.

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What you can do is using container objects like picture frames and frame text in the master page, arrange those layers in the correct order in layer stack.

All content you enter in those container objects will adhere to the defined layer stack order.

This may solve the issue.
 

If you enter content to those frames in master pages, it will show on every page, but can be modified on individual pages to get individual content

 

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In theory you should be able to paste shape objects into frame text, but i couldn’t get this working on iPad. What will work is table frames, text frames, picture frames. 

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8 hours ago, Demonskunk said:

Is It Possible To Have Master Page Elements Above and Below Content?

Not individual elements of a Master Page as such but you can move an entire Master Page above the content

Therefore, you will need 2 master pages, one for the elements above the content and one for the elements below the content

To move a master page above the content you select it (on one of the document's pages) in the Layers panel and use the Edit Linked function (see the help file)

Notes:

When moving the master page layer do not drag it, use the menu command Layer > Arrange > Move to Front

Moving a master page layer to the front is not "sticky". If you add new content or pages to your document, they can appear above the master page. So, you may need to repeat this process

To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time.

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Hi @Demonskunk and welcome to the forums,

I think it is very much as @NotMyFault mentions above... It looks as though Affinity Publisher has just misinterpreted the layer order of the Master Page elements...

Take a look at the attached Publisher file (created in v1.10.6 so it can be opened in whichever version you're using) and the order in which the elements appear on the Master Page.

On your main pages, you can add and flow text between text frames and drag illustrations into the respective picture frames which sit below the blue frame and green text background on the Master Page...

If you need variations on the theme to accommodate slightly different layouts then you can create additional Master pages and apply these accordingly to the appropriate pages or if that doesn't work, as @carl123 suggests you may need to use two master pages...

This may not be what you're looking for but have a play with it to see if it gives you what you have in mind. You will need to adjust the text style font accordingly...

Publisher Layout.afpub

Affinity Designer 2.3.1.2217 | Affinity Photo 2.3.1.2217 | Affinity Publisher 2.3.1.2217
Affinity Designer Beta 2.4.0.2294 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.4.0.2294 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.4.0.2294

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21 hours ago, carl123 said:

Not individual elements of a Master Page as such but you can move an entire Master Page above the content

Therefore, you will need 2 master pages, one for the elements above the content and one for the elements below the content

To move a master page above the content you select it (on one of the document's pages) in the Layers panel and use the Edit Linked function (see the help file)

Notes:

When moving the master page layer do not drag it, use the menu command Layer > Arrange > Move to Front

Moving a master page layer to the front is not "sticky". If you add new content or pages to your document, they can appear above the master page. So, you may need to repeat this process

Oh wait, you can apply multiple master pages to one page?

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20 hours ago, Hangman said:

Hi @Demonskunk and welcome to the forums,

I think it is very much as @NotMyFault mentions above... It looks as though Affinity Publisher has just misinterpreted the layer order of the Master Page elements...

Take a look at the attached Publisher file (created in v1.10.6 so it can be opened in whichever version you're using) and the order in which the elements appear on the Master Page.

On your main pages, you can add and flow text between text frames and drag illustrations into the respective picture frames which sit below the blue frame and green text background on the Master Page...

If you need variations on the theme to accommodate slightly different layouts then you can create additional Master pages and apply these accordingly to the appropriate pages or if that doesn't work, as @carl123 suggests you may need to use two master pages...

This may not be what you're looking for but have a play with it to see if it gives you what you have in mind. You will need to adjust the text style font accordingly...

Publisher Layout.afpub

 

22 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

What you can do is using container objects like picture frames and frame text in the master page, arrange those layers in the correct order in layer stack.

All content you enter in those container objects will adhere to the defined layer stack order.

This may solve the issue.
 

If you enter content to those frames in master pages, it will show on every page, but can be modified on individual pages to get individual content

 

That could work. do empty text frames render as transparent?

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1 hour ago, Demonskunk said:

Oh wait, you can apply multiple master pages to one page?

Yes, master pages are quite versatile

To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time.

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3 hours ago, Demonskunk said:

 

That could work. do empty text frames render as transparent?

Yes.

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5 hours ago, Demonskunk said:

you can apply multiple master pages to one page?

https://affinity.help/publisher2/en-US.lproj/pages/Pages/applyMasterPages.html

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