Create/edit text style - no change issues

[MikeTO]

In the Create/Edit Text Styles window:

Initial Words - There is no way to reset the End Characters field to [No change] once you have set it, short of deleting the style and starting over. I checked every other field and this is the only one that can't be reset. With other text fields such as Max Word Count above it, you can delete the value and press Tab to reset it but that doesn't work with this field.

Colour & Decorations - the Outline control opens a popup with two identical icons. The X in a circle on the left means no outline while the one on the right means no change. Perhaps the right one could be changed to a - symbol similar to the mixed state checkbox that is used to indicate no change.

[Hangman]

Hi @MikeTO,

7 hours ago, MikeTO said:

Initial Words - There is no way to reset the End Characters field to [No change] once you have set it, short of deleting the style and starting over.

I think this is because the [No change] End character is treated as a text string rather than a 'default' value in the same way it is for the 'Text' setting under Bullets and Numbering. You can simply type [No change] if that's what you want it to say but when selecting any value from the dropdown it is added after the [No Change] text string which needs to be physically deleted if you don't want it to appear...

One thing that does appear to be 'missing' however is an indicator in the Style Settings summary for the inclusion of an Em Space, En Space, Non-breaking Space, Tab, Zero Width Space, Zero Width Non Joiner and Zero Width Joiner when these are set under Initial Words.

Both Em Dash and En Dash are shown correctly as are Em Space, En Space and Tab under Bullets and Numbering, i.e., "—", "–", "<EMSP>", "<ENSP>" and "\t" in the Style Settings summary panel.

[MikeTO]

3 hours ago, Hangman said:

You can simply type [No change] if that's what you want it to say

That's not what I want, I want it have no change from the parent style, and this is the only control in Create/Edit Text Style that doesn't allow reversion to No Change. Perhaps the inclusion of the preset dropdown broke the normal text field method of clearing the value which reverts to no change on loss of focus.

[Hangman]

I suspect the [No Change] text shouldn't actually be there in the first place, this is how it appears in 1.10.6...

[walt.farrell]

7 minutes ago, Hangman said:

I suspect the [No Change] text shouldn't actually be there in the first place, this is how it appears in 1.10.6...

But is that "no change" (implied) or "no end characters"?

[Hangman]

25 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

But is that "no change" (implied) or "no end characters"?

Based on how this appears in 1.10.6 I would say "no change" (implied). I think the [No Change] text incorrectly appears in v2 because when you add an End Character it is added after the [No Change] text rather than replacing the [No Change] text.

[walt.farrell]

3 minutes ago, Hangman said:

I think the [No Change] text incorrectly appears in v2 because when you add an End Character it is added after the [No Change] text rather than replacing the [No Change] text.

I do not see [No Change], so either that's a macOS-related issue, or I haven't figured out how to make it appear.

My End Characters initialize to .?!: when creating a new Text Style. For the built-in Text Styles, that field is set to empty, except in Base, where it's set to .?!:

[Hangman]

15 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

My End Characters initialize to .?!: when creating a new Text Style. For the built-in Text Styles, that field is set to empty, except in Base, where it's set to .?!:

This is exactly how I think it should be on macOS as well in the same way it is when inserting a cross-reference. I think the [No Change] text is a red herring and possibly a screen redraw issue, certainly on Monterey at least where there are a few screen redraw issues...

I likewise see .?!: when creating a new Text Style but [No Change] when editing, but I don't believe the [No Change] text should remain when setting the end character...

[MikeTO]

I think we can agree that [No Change] isn't working well in this field. 🙂 

[Old Bruce]

I think the text [No Change] is a mistake, a bug on the Mac.

[walt.farrell]

Also reported here earlier (not processed by Serif yet): 

 

 

[Callum]

Hi All, 

I have logged this with our developers to be investigated further.

Thanks
C