Develop multiple raw images in sperate layers in one document

[chrisb123]

How do I develop two images in one document and layer them so I can develop them separately

[NotMyFault]

The best way is to develop them independently in separate files, and copy/ paste the resulting embedded RAW layer after finishing development into the other document. If you choose „RAW file (Embedded)“ as destination, you can combine multiple RAW files into one document.

[NotMyFault]

For what purpose do you want to do the development step in one document, but independently?

[carl123]

1 hour ago, chrisb123 said:

How do I develop two images in one document and layer them so I can develop them separately

Use File > Place to place the 2 Raw images into a document

Then double click each layer's thumbnail to enter the develop persona to develop them separately

 

The options set in the Develop Assistant (e.g. Tone curve) will be honoured as will your File > Placement option (Linked or Embedded)

[NotMyFault]

Carls method is shorter (and better), but limited to Desktop. My workaround works on iPad, too.

[chrisb123]

I use Desktop,

File -> Place works great

[walt.farrell]

On 7/2/2023 at 8:07 AM, NotMyFault said:

Carls method is shorter (and better), but limited to Desktop. My workaround works on iPad, too.

Carl's method works on iPad, too. It's a bit different usage between Photo and Publisher, but it works in either.

In Photo: After Placing, select one layer and switch to Develop Persona.
In Publisher: After Placing, double-tap on the image (on screen) that you want to Develop.

Here's an example in Publisher 2 (beta, but it shouldn't matter):

 

[NotMyFault]

I would have never find these methods without your explanation. 

[NotMyFault]

another random UI issue:

by chance I created a CMYK document, where you can happily place RAW files which automatically get converted to a pixel layer - but CMYK. So the develop persona refuses to work ("please select an RGB pixel layer before developing") which is quite difficult in an CMYK document.

[walt.farrell]

8 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

where you can happily place RAW files which automatically get converted to a pixel layer

I'm not sure what you mean by that. When you Place a RAW file in V2, you have a RAW layer, not a pixel layer and there's no automatic conversion.

And when I try your setup in Photo 2 on my iPad, I can select that RAW layer and go into the Develop Persona with no problem.

[R C-R]

6 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

by chance I created a CMYK document, where you can happily place RAW files which automatically get converted to a pixel layer - but CMYK. So the develop persona refuses to work ("please select an RGB pixel layer before developing") which is quite difficult in an CMYK document.

I can't seem to duplicate that. If I create a CMYK document & place for instance a NEF or RAF file in it, on the Context menu with it selected, I get a "Develop Image" button, which develops it into a pixel layer. However, if I ignore that button, with the placed NEF selected, I can switch to the Develop persona without incurring an error & I get the usual output options for linked, embedded or pixel.

Can you maybe post a RAW file that shows this behavior, or better yet, a CMYK document with that file placed in it?

I'm running V2 of AP if that makes any difference.

[NotMyFault]

Maybe it is an iCloud issue.

 

Photo App (Apple): CR2, RAW, 30,9 MB

Affinity Photo: when placed, it is shown as JPG, 5.7 MB in resource manager, despite CR2 file extension.

 

[NotMyFault]

images removed for privacy. Will upload test images later.

 

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by NotMyFault

[walt.farrell]

3 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

Affinity Photo: when placed, it is shown as JPG,

You're not getting the RAW image.

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, NotMyFault said:

Maybe it is an iCloud issue.

Is there some reason you won't or can't post the file in a reply? Also, are we to assume you are trying this only on an iPad & in V1 or V2?

[walt.farrell]

3 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Also, are we to assume you are trying this only on an iPad & in V1 or V2?

The last set of screenshots was of an iPad, and using Photo V2.

But it would be nice to see how @NotMyFault is getting the file into Photo. Whatever approach is being used, is apparently getting the JPG version not the RAW version.

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, walt.farrell said:

The last set of screenshots was of an iPad, and using Photo V2.

I was asking if he only tried it on his iPad.

1 minute ago, walt.farrell said:

Whatever approach is being used, is apparently getting the JPG version not the RAW version.

In the first of his screenshots it shows File Type > JPEG & Color Space > RGB, FWIW.

[NotMyFault]

Steps:

1. create new document in Photo
2. use "place", navigate to media types section, navigate to "RAW" subfolder automatically created by Apple Photo and containing a virtual view of all RAW files
3. choose the actual CR2 file from screenshot
4. tap with pen to place it in 100% size

I made a screen recording, but unfortunately to many personal images of people who do not consent to be shown in a public forum would get visible.

I will remove the 2 screenshots, too for similar reasons.

To crate a clean test case and screen recording without showing sensitive PII or people, I need much more time, maybe tomorrow.

 

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, NotMyFault said:

2. use "place", navigate to media types section, navigate to "RAW" subfolder automatically created by Apple Photo and containing a virtual view of all RAW files

First, while I have a RAW "smart" folder in my version of Apple Photo, it was not created automatically; it was one I set up myself.

Regardless, on the desktop version to get the RAW version of the file I have to use File > Export > Export Unmodified Original... or I get a JPEG version. I assume there is something similar for the iPad version, but I have not checked since I do not use the Apple Photos app on my iPad for anything.

[NotMyFault]

9 hours ago, R C-R said:

Also, are we to assume you are trying this only on an iPad & in V1 or V2?

I tried it on Mac and iPad, and run into that issue on iPad. For time reasons, I only reported the issue on iPad.