"No change" setting

[Petar Petrenko]

Hi,

"No change" is exclusively reserved for Character Styles only. Not for Paragraph Styles.

Text fill in character styles must be set by default to "Black", not "None".

[walt.farrell]

35 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

"No change" is exclusively reserved for Character Styles only. Not for Paragraph Styles.

I'm not sure what you mean, Petar. I see "No change" used in many fields in Paragraph Text Styles. It means that the Paragraph style inherits that setting from the style it's based on.

E.g., Bullet 1 inherits all these Spacing settings from its parent style, Base:

[Petar Petrenko]

2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure what you mean, Petar. I see "No change" used in many fields in Paragraph Text Styles. It means that the Paragraph style inherits that setting from the style it's based on.

Settings in paragraph styles must always show any value regradless they are based on some style or not. (See InDesign). Only character styles must have "No change" setting.

[walt.farrell]

3 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Settings in paragraph styles must always show any value regradless they are based on some style or not. (See InDesign). Only character styles must have "No change" setting.

Why? What makes InDesign's approach right?

[No Change] makes perfect sense to me.

[Petar Petrenko]

2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Why? What makes InDesign's approach right?

[No Change] makes perfect sense to me.

Can you explain to me what is so perfect in "No change" in paragraph styles?

[walt.farrell]

Sure. It means that the value is not changed from the parent style. So, I don't need to worry about it if I understand my hierarchical styles. I know that if I change the parent style it will apply automatically to the child style, as I would usually want it to.

[Petar Petrenko]

12 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Sure. It means that the value is not changed from the parent style. So, I don't need to worry about it if I understand my hierarchical styles. I know that if I change the parent style it will apply automatically to the child style, as I would usually want it to.

But, it masks the values beneath. You must click on it to see what the value is. It would be much better if they were inside brackets. If you change the value, brackets are gone -- link to the parent style is broken.

[Petar Petrenko]

29 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

E.g., Bullet 1 inherits all these Spacing settings from its parent style, Base:

And what about if the style is not "based on" any style? Why it stll has "No Change"?

[walt.farrell]

50 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

And what about if the style is not "based on" any style? Why it stll has "No Change"?

That's a good question.

Perhaps in that case it means not to change whatever the text you apply it to already has specified. It's not something I've tested.

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Petar Petrenko said:

It would be much better if they were inside brackets. If you change the value, brackets are gone -- link to the parent style is broken.

I suppose that could work.

[Petar Petrenko]

3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

That's a good question.

Perhaps in that case it means not to change whatever the text you apply it to already has specified. It's not something I've tested.

Maybe we found the reason for many problems?

[garrettm30]

2 hours ago, Petar Petrenko said:

And what about if the style is not "based on" any style? Why it stll has "No Change"?

When an attribute is marked as "No Change" in a paragraph style, and that style is not based on any parent style, then when you apply that style to a certain text, the text will not have its value of that particular attribute changed. It is essentially left undefined, so it will retain its local value for that attribute.

Perhaps an example is in order. Imagine you have a paragraph style where paragraph alignment is set to [No Change]. And you have two paragraphs, one whose alignment is left and the other whose alignment is right. Now apply the style to both paragraphs. The paragraphs will take on the attributes as defined in the style, but the first paragraph will still be left aligned and the second right aligned, because the style definition allowed the paragraphs to retain their previous values for that attribute.

[Old Bruce]

4 hours ago, Petar Petrenko said:

And what about if the style is not "based on" any style? Why it stll has "No Change"?

Then it is based on [No Style], or what ever you have currently setup in the paragraph settings.