Ca5pian Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) I'd be very interested in understanding how Publisher will address accessibility in their exported PDFs. Currently there is no way to tailor a document to export a PDF with any acknowledgement of A11y. I appreciate that it's early days. I just hope it hasn't been left too late. InDesign has been trying to address it, but it too was appalling in its early versions. I expected that a progressive new app might be thinking about this and build it in from the very beginning — after all we are building documents for screen so often, we can't just ignore the requirements of so many. Edited September 2, 2018 by Ca5pian Missing attachment robskinn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonQuinn Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Agree. Build it in early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robskinn Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Agree. I have already been asked to build my PDFs with DDA compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Before Affinity can produce accessible PDF’s the public sector in the UK can’t use Affinity Publisher or PDF’s created wirh Affinity Publisher by whoever: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-publish-on-gov-uk/accessible-pdfs Quote Saving as PDF/A alone will not make the document accessible Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blende21 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jowday said: Before Affinity can produce accessible PDF’s the public sector in the UK can’t use Affinity Publisher or PDF’s created wirh Affinity Publisher by whoever: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-publish-on-gov-uk/accessible-pdfs Citation of a government paper does not make a bad argument a better one. In the web link there are several ways described to make a document „accessible“. The most important features are Think about format (use HTML whenever possible) Keep the language simple Keep the document simple Give the document a structure Forms, complex documents and other office formats Obviously 1-4 has nothing to do with software, but with good writing practice. Only in point 5 PDF/A is mentioned as one of several options to comply - and it is only relevant for the specific documents mentioned. There is more to read if one is interested in details. A short search with DDG generated a choice of free online tools that will convert any pdf into a pdf/a-file. Conclusion: It would probably be nice if Publisher would support pdf/a-creation. But we users should not try to BS people just to get what we want. Fake news concerning the (non-)use of Publisher for official documents should not be spread through this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 PDF/a is an archive format. It doesn't have anything to do with accessibility. Currently the best application to generate accessible pdfs is QXP. I have no idea whether the library Serif uses is capable of creating accessible pdfs. I guess I could go look but I'm being a bit too lazy today... Jowday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Blende21 said: Conclusion: It would probably be nice if Publisher would support pdf/a-creation. But we users should not try to BS people just to get what we want. Fake news concerning the (non-)use of Publisher for official documents should not be spread through this forum. Hi Trump? What "fake news"? And who are "we users" ... it is all abstract and non-qualified "inputs". At best. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32016L2102 https://kb.iu.edu/d/bfua Making PDF's accessible is making them readable by screen readers. 100% The requirements are tough. It is actually not a kids game. Have you tried using a screen reader or witnessed anyone using one? Did you try making just one PDF accessible in Adobe Acrobat Pro? Making anything accessible requires a qualified person and the right tool. You don't just convert a file and make a few headlines. Have you tried making accessible tables? I suppose you haven't. So Government agencies/whoever do this with professional software for this purpose. And files uploaded to government websites MUST be accessible. Not "almost there". Not just in the right file format. They have to be CORRECT and VALID. Accessible by ANY citizen. We had the pleasure of visiting gov.uk a few times exchanging knowledge. Ambitious and great people. You could learn a thing or two from them. You know exactly nothing about the topic but yell very loud with crazy statements. It is not exactly interesting or enlightening having this conversation with you. JohannaH and robskinn 2 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, MikeW said: I have no idea whether the library Serif uses is capable of creating accessible pdfs. I guess I could go look but I'm being a bit too lazy today... It is a German product so they have to make an engine that meets the requirements from the EC. It does look like they are on the right path: https://www.pdflib.com/fileadmin/pdflib/pdf/manuals/PDFlib-9.1.1-tutorial.pdf JohannaH and MikeW 1 1 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blende21 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Jowday said: Hi Trump? What "fake news"? And who are "we users" ... it is all abstract and non-qualified "inputs". At best. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32016L2102 https://kb.iu.edu/d/bfua Making PDF's accessible is making them readable by screen readers. 100% The requirements are tough. It is actually not a kids game. Have you tried using a screen reader or witnessed anyone using one? Did you try making just one PDF accessible in Adobe Acrobat Pro? Making anything accessible requires a qualified person and the right tool. You don't just convert a file and make a few headlines. Have you tried making accessible tables? I suppose you haven't. So Government agencies/whoever do this with professional software for this purpose. And files uploaded to government websites MUST be accessible. Not "almost there". Not just in the right file format. They have to be CORRECT and VALID. Accessible by ANY citizen. We had the pleasure of visiting gov.uk a few times exchanging knowledge. Ambitious and great people. You could learn a thing or two from them. You know exactly nothing about the topic but yell very loud with crazy statements. It is not exactly interesting or enlightening having this conversation with you. We completely agree, accessibility is a high value, because not everybody who needs to get information is able to do it when documents are not prepared. So they need to be edited for this situation. Apart from this, we disagree. A quick search in the EU directive showed the use of the word „pdf“ twice: One at the top, where the language versions are, another down in a paragraph together with office documents and other stuff. PDF/A is not mentioned at all. But these are facts, and you did not try to argue with or against the facts in my first posting, and you will probably not do it again. Just throwing links left and right, each with worse government-speak. The guys writing up this stuff should take some of their own medicine, like „simple language“ ... And because your way of discussion is personally offensive and aggressive without cause, my argument stops here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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