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Hello, I am new here so I suppose the best thing to do is introduce myself and let you all know what my topic is about.

To begin, I am a professional landscape and nature photographer.

I create HDR composites that I sell through stock agencies and also in local art galleries in Sedona and Jerome AZ.

For many years I used Photoshop CS5, and it did what I needed done as far as image manipulation and editing.

But a short time ago my old MacBook running Lion OSX failed. The GPU in the logic board burned out and I got the white screen of death.

I wanted to get it fixed but the parts were no longer available, which forced me to buy a newer Mac running High Sierra 10.13.3.

PS CS5 does not work well on High Sierra. It would not update and it often crashed with errors.

Adobe technicians told me that CS5 had never been tested on High Sierra and probably would not work.

They advised me to get creative cloud, but I told them I was not going to rent a program.

I only buy programs with perpetual license.

 

I found Affinity Photo while searching for CS5 alternatives.

I have been testing Affinity for the last couple of days and so far I am impressed.

It has many of CS5's capabilities, but the controls will take me some time to get used to.

I will probably end up buying the program when the trial period is over.

 

But there is one thing that does need improvement with Affinity.

It need support for the JPEG2000 format.

 

I have several hundred images stored in that format and Affinity cannot open them.

 

I use the JPF format to archive my master copies after all editing is finished. I put them in a folder with the original camera raw copy.

The reason I used this format is because it supports LAB 16 bit color, just like a TIF, but has lossless compression and has half the size of a TIF.

This format is also being used in some video applications.

 

Since Photoshop supports JPEG2000 I think Affinity should consider supporting it as well if your company wants to compete with Adobe on their level.

 

I can use another program called ColorSync to convert my old JPF files back to TIF but that might degrade their quality.

So if you are considering adding JPF support to Affinity please let me know.

 

And if you're interested in seeing some of the work I do here is a link to one of my portfolios.

The images on this site are being marketed through Getty Images.

My HDR lightning composites are my biggest sellers.

http://www.roomtheagency.com/profile/555/

 

Thanks for listening.

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15 hours ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

convert my old JPF files back to TIF but that might degrade their quality

 

Why? TIFF is lossless.


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16 hours ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

But there is one thing that does need improvement with Affinity.

It need support for the JPEG2000 format.

Affinity Photo can, at least, open (read) .jp2 files. (I'm not sure about the other JPEG2000 formats, though.)

It cannot export to that format, but I would simply use TIFF as an output format, which provides lossless compression.


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On 3/29/2018 at 4:17 AM, Pšenda said:

 

Why? TIFF is lossless.

Sorry for the late reply, I did not get any notification that there had been any replies to my post.

 

Yes, TIF is lossless, but switching from one color format to another, such as from LAB to RGB, might result in some loss of color data.

I do not think the utility called ColorSync supports LAB color.

I will have to check to make sure.

All I know is that AP does not recognize my JPF files.

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On 3/29/2018 at 5:28 AM, walt.farrell said:

Affinity Photo can, at least, open (read) .jp2 files. (I'm not sure about the other JPEG2000 formats, though.)

It cannot export to that format, but I would simply use TIFF as an output format, which provides lossless compression.

Yes, I saw that in AP's specifications that it will read JP2 and JPK.

But mine are JPF, which is another variation of JPEG2000 and AP will not read it.

I have several hundred images in JPF.

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42 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

Sorry for the late reply, I did not get any notification that there had been any replies to my post.

 

You must turn on.

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In your profile is possible turn on for all your posts.

 

 

39 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

But mine are JPF, which is another variation of JPEG2000 and AP will not read it.

 

It is variation of file format, or variation of file extension (like *.TIF and *.TIFF, *.JPG and *.JPEG, .....)?

2018-04-03_230235.png.1da053d549a65e175b13d7609fa3b022.png

 

Just enter the *.JPF filter in the Open dialog, and the file is loaded.

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Or batch rename all files to *.JP2 (without any conversion).


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2 hours ago, Pšenda said:

 

You must turn on.

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In your profile is possible turn on for all your posts.

 

 

 

It is variation of file format, or variation of file extension (like *.TIF and *.TIFF, *.JPG and *.JPEG, .....)?

2018-04-03_230235.png.1da053d549a65e175b13d7609fa3b022.png

 

Just enter the *.JPF filter in the Open dialog, and the file is loaded.

2018-04-03_231206.png.546bad4bc8904ffb60480332eb7bf071.png

 

Or batch rename all files to *.JP2 (without any conversion).

 

 

I just tried to open the file and it will not read it.

Here is a screenshot of what the dialog window shows me.

As you can see the JPF file will not highlight and the open button will not highlight or allow me to click it.

I tried renaming the extension to JP2 and all I got was an error stating an unsupported file type.

Perhaps it is because my JPF files are in the LAB color mode and not sRGB.

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Try enter *.JPF to Search in Open dialog.


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14 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Try enter *.JPF to Search in Open dialog.

Mine does not have that ability.

The dialog display window is not like what yours shows.

Are you using a Mac or a Windows PC?

I do know that programs on Macs might not operate identical to those on Windows.

The dialog window on mine does not show what yours is showing.

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19 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

Are you using a Mac or a Windows PC?

Just take a look at my post.

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23 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

I do know that programs on Macs might not operate identical to those on Windows.

Definitely not.

On Windows, just type the mask *.JPF for the file name.

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33 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

Mine does not have that ability.

In your screenshot.

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22 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

Just take a look at my post.

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Definitely not.

On Windows, just type the mask *.JPF for the file name.

2018-04-04_235406.png.bdf4e1f6474cb9e2a6034b0d42021c33.png

 

 

In your screenshot.

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Still does not work.

I'm including 2 screenshots.

First screenshot shows the search as you pointed to. As you can see the search will show the JPF files but they will not highlight in order to be opened.

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In the next screen shot I attempted to change the file extension from JPF to JP2 because it said in the program specs that JP2 is supposed to be readable.

But that did not work either. When I attempted to open the same file with the extension renamed to JP2 the program popped up and error that the file I was trying to open is not supported.

I did try to convert a JPF into a TIF using two utilities. One is called ColorSync and the other is the Preview App that is built into my Mac.

Both programs did convert the JPF into TIF, but they degraded the original quality. The original JPF was in LAB 16 bit color. When converted by the utilities the result was RGB 8 bit.

That is an unacceptable loss in color data.

I will have to wait and see if Affinity adds JPF support in the future or try to find a program that can convert my old JPFs without losing color depth data.

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37 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

 

1 hour ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

Are you using a Mac or a Windows PC?

Just take a look at my post.

Just so you're aware, the signature info does not show up if one browses these forums from a smartphone (as I often do when I'm away from my PC :) ).


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27 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

from a smartphone

It will rather depend on the browser. I'm showing normally (I'm using mobile Chrome).


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1 minute ago, Pšenda said:

It will rather depend on the browser. I'm showing normally (I'm using mobile Chrome).

Hmmm. Me, too, and I don't see them.


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38 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

But that did not work either. When I attempted to open the same file with the extension renamed to JP2 the program popped up and error that the file I was trying to open is not supported.

Can you attach a JPF file? I will try to rename it and open it.


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13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I don't see them

You're right. It shows me on tablet, but not on smartphone.
It will depend on the size of the display.


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2 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Can you attach a JPF file? I will try to rename it and open it.

Here is the smallest JPF I have.

It is just under 8 MB and was originally an 8 bit RGB PNG before I compressed it into a JPF using Photoshop CS5.

As I mentioned in the original posting the logic board in my old MacBook Pro failed and was unrepairable due to its age.

My newer MacBook running on High Sierra is not compatible with CS5 which is why I decided to try Affinity.

 

Let me know if you can do anything with this JPF because all I get is the "Unsupported File Type" error when I try to force Affinity to open it.

And I would appreciate it if this image were not distributed beyond this forum because I do have a JPG version for sale through stock photo agencies.

 

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7 hours ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

I did try to convert a JPF into a TIF using two utilities. One is called ColorSync

Save the file as *.JP2 would not be able to use the application? (without any degrading conversion to another format)

 

5 hours ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

Unsupported File Type

In Windows, you can associate / assign a new extension to any application, so it is then used to open it. Something similar to Mac does not work?


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7 hours ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

And I would appreciate it if this image were not distributed beyond this forum

 

I downloaded the file, so you can delete it.
I unfortunately have to confirm your observations.
The file to APhoto is not loaded (type not supported), even when it is renamed to *.JP2.

However, I opened the JPF in another application (FastStone Viewer), and saved as JP2 (*.JPF is also not directly supported). Then the file in APh opened.

2018-04-05_085909.png.c641d2211cc8ef446ebce6dbe8755a25.png

 

Interestingly, I compared both files (original JPF and from it saved JP2).

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Files vary, so their formats are also different, and APhoto probably does not know it.

Just try an application, that converts it 1:1 to *.JP2.


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Sorry for chiming in when I have no idea about anything here, but I wanted to expand on the greyed out file name in the Open dialog: you could try to context-click a JPF file in Finder and select “Open with”, and then, if AP isn’t shown in the list, select “other app…” (or whatever it says in English; it’s the option at the very bottom in the context menu) and select AP from there. Alternatively you can drag a file onto the application icon in the dock. And yet another alternative would be to open the info window (Cmd-I) of a selected file and set the program to open the file from there (under “open with”).

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Now is no problem choosing the file to open, but APh will not open it.

10 hours ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

because all I get is the "Unsupported File Type" error when I try to force Affinity to open it.

 


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3 hours ago, Pšenda said:

but APh will not open it.

 

To add - the JPEG2000 specifications have several variants, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_2000.

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The JPF variant/part Affinity unfortunately can not read.


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5 hours ago, VIPStephan said:

Sorry for chiming in when I have no idea about anything here, but I wanted to expand on the greyed out file name in the Open dialog: you could try to context-click a JPF file in Finder and select “Open with”, and then, if AP isn’t shown in the list, select “other app…” (or whatever it says in English; it’s the option at the very bottom in the context menu) and select AP from there. Alternatively you can drag a file onto the application icon in the dock. And yet another alternative would be to open the info window (Cmd-I) of a selected file and set the program to open the file from there (under “open with”).

 

That was actually one of the first things I tried, as shown in a screenshot provided. I tried to use the "Open With" and then selected Affinity in the drop down menu.

When selected in this way the program did open but it displayed the "unsupported file" error.

As I concluded, the JPF variant is simply not readable with APh.

 

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6 hours ago, Pšenda said:

 

I downloaded the file, so you can delete it.
I unfortunately have to confirm your observations.
The file to APhoto is not loaded (type not supported), even when it is renamed to *.JP2.

However, I opened the JPF in another application (FastStone Viewer), and saved as JP2 (*.JPF is also not directly supported). Then the file in APh opened.

2018-04-05_085909.png.c641d2211cc8ef446ebce6dbe8755a25.png

 

Interestingly, I compared both files (original JPF and from it saved JP2).

2018-04-05_090421.png.3563520a6807a0b37ec95a81feeb89e8.png

 

Files vary, so their formats are also different, and APhoto probably does not know it.

Just try an application, that converts it 1:1 to *.JP2.

 

 

When I tried to convert using ColorSync I was trying to convert the JPF back into a TIF.

ColorSync ended up converting it to RGB 8 bit.

Many of my JPFs are in LAB 16 bit color.

However, I did not check to see if ColorSync would convert it to another variation of JPEG2000 which could preserve the original color data.

I will experiment and see what happens.

Worst case scenario is that I will have to wait until Affinity adds JPEG2000 support that includes the variants.

It is possible that the JPF variant is owned by Adobe. They can be sticklers when it comes to their patents.

 

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2 minutes ago, DeepDesertPhoto said:

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It is possible that the JPF variant is owned by Adobe. They can be sticklers when it comes to their patents.

 

 

It seems to open fine in Photoline, so I am thinking it isn't related to a patent. Just a plain ol' not supported thing.

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