donka Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Okay, when increasing shadows in the develop persona in the latest beta, I’m getting a horrible sparkling effect as soon as I increase the shadow by 1. This affects raw files (NEF) as well as jpg. This doesn’t happen in the photo persona or when using other apps like Apple Photos or RAW Power. Screens attached but this only seems to affect black images such as this moon shot. jacki3wrfsef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelcoder Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 That looks quite nasty, I shot Nikon as well, and have somewhere a RAW File of the Super moon from last year. I will check it later and post here the result. | https://www.instagram.com/lutz.heidbrink | https://500px.com/lutzheidbrink | https://www.eyeem.com/u/pixelcoder | https://society6.com/pixelcoder iPad Pro 10.5 - iOS 11.4.1 - Affinity Photo 1.6.7 - Affinity Designer 1.6.0.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donka Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yup, that is with shadows at 1%. It gets much worse as you increase the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelcoder Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I can confirm this looks really bad. Weird since I can bump up the shadows on almost dark underexposed daylight photos like a boss. | https://www.instagram.com/lutz.heidbrink | https://500px.com/lutzheidbrink | https://www.eyeem.com/u/pixelcoder | https://society6.com/pixelcoder iPad Pro 10.5 - iOS 11.4.1 - Affinity Photo 1.6.7 - Affinity Designer 1.6.0.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donka Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Are you on the latest beta as well? I'll try the retail version when I get home to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelcoder Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yes I am on the beta build 1.6.7. I am sure they will fix it until release | https://www.instagram.com/lutz.heidbrink | https://500px.com/lutzheidbrink | https://www.eyeem.com/u/pixelcoder | https://society6.com/pixelcoder iPad Pro 10.5 - iOS 11.4.1 - Affinity Photo 1.6.7 - Affinity Designer 1.6.0.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affni Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Have the same problem. When I need to lighten the shadows Photoshop offers many options to finetune this process - like selecting the strength and range separately or protect the black. When I do the same in Affinity Photo I only have ONE slider to lighten the shadows. And the result: I get a washed out picture especially when applying it to faces. But even other pictures like of buildings or furniture looses saturation and the color as such is shifting. And you can not compensate this effect by increasing for example the saturation. Since I was not sure, what to post without violating any rights I thought Mr. Bach will not mind, being used for demonstration purposes. First picture ist processed with Affinity Photo, the last with Adobe Photoshop - in the middle is the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelcoder Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Hey Affni, the first one looks like the shadows been processed by the current stable Version. Are those iPad Beta screenshots? I just ask because despite the night photo issues with the shadow slider, on normal daylight raw files, it’s awesome so far, compared to Photoshop way better I would say. cheers, lutz | https://www.instagram.com/lutz.heidbrink | https://500px.com/lutzheidbrink | https://www.eyeem.com/u/pixelcoder | https://society6.com/pixelcoder iPad Pro 10.5 - iOS 11.4.1 - Affinity Photo 1.6.7 - Affinity Designer 1.6.0.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affni Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, pixelcoder said: Hey Affni, the first one looks like the shadows been processed by the current stable Version. Are those iPad Beta screenshots? cheers, lutz It's actually from the current stable desktop version 1.6.6. But my iPad Pro Affinity Photos version 1.6.5 produces the same unreal shadow effect. ... as does Affinity Designer 1.6.0. I realize that this post deals with beta-issues. But I felt it makes no sense to open an extra post on one of the a final versions. I trust the this can be resolved but not with one single slider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelcoder Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It’s really better in the current beta, maybe give it a try. I attached your example and did a quick screenrecording of the Shadows in the current beta version. Cheers, Lutz Test 1.mp4 | https://www.instagram.com/lutz.heidbrink | https://500px.com/lutzheidbrink | https://www.eyeem.com/u/pixelcoder | https://society6.com/pixelcoder iPad Pro 10.5 - iOS 11.4.1 - Affinity Photo 1.6.7 - Affinity Designer 1.6.0.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affni Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Hi Lutz, how should one install the beta? On a separate system/drive or can it exist parallel with the current Version 1.6.6 on my standard Macintosh HD ? Regards Affni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelcoder Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Hey again, 9 minutes ago, Affni said: Hi Lutz, how should one install the beta? On a separate system/drive or can it exist parallel with the current Version 1.6.6 on my standard Macintosh HD ? Regards Affni You can have both versions installed alongside on Mac, follow this thread there you find the download link for the Mac Version. Happy testing. cheers, Lutz | https://www.instagram.com/lutz.heidbrink | https://500px.com/lutzheidbrink | https://www.eyeem.com/u/pixelcoder | https://society6.com/pixelcoder iPad Pro 10.5 - iOS 11.4.1 - Affinity Photo 1.6.7 - Affinity Designer 1.6.0.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donka Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 Unfortunately today’s new beta has made no difference to this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Justin Posted December 18, 2017 Staff Share Posted December 18, 2017 Hi donka For me it seems to be still broken for jpegs but ok for RAW files. Also, if I convert a jpeg to 32-bit (RGB/HDR) before entering Develop then it works ok. Is that your experience? If not, can you let me have the files you are testing with? Cheers Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affni Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, Justin said: Hi donka For me it seems to be still broken for jpegs but ok for RAW files. Also, if I convert a jpeg to 32-bit (RGB/HDR) before entering Develop then it works ok. Is that your experience? If not, can you let me have the files you are testing with? Cheers Justin I had posted my finding of doing frequency separation first and then lighten shadows. Strange enough this post is gone. So her is again the result of frequency separation = 20 pixel ... after that I could move up with the shadow to 143. The results are better than going through the Develop Persona. Also in the Develop Persona the maximum is 100 - hence the results are not as light as by using frequency separation. But at least its a way to lighten it without washing out effects.The second picture is the result via Develop Persona. By the way - there is no difference if you I convert to 32bit HDR. Both look like the second picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donka Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Justin said: Hi donka For me it seems to be still broken for jpegs but ok for RAW files. Also, if I convert a jpeg to 32-bit (RGB/HDR) before entering Develop then it works ok. Is that your experience? If not, can you let me have the files you are testing with? Cheers Justin Hi Justin, just tried again and still happening with both RAW and JPG, even if I convert the jpg to 32/HDR first before going to develop. I have attached both a RAW and jpg for you to check. Given the proximity of the sparkles, it looks like it is greatly amplifying sensor noise. I have uploaded 2 samples to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/41q98oex0dwph2l/AAA6KzK2HhjPqHRBvqPDdHOia?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donka Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 FYI. AP is still loading the original image from Photos, even if you make edits in Photos first i.e. AP does not load the latest version of an image from Photos so I couldn’t even bump the shadows in Photos first before passing to AP for further editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Justin Posted December 18, 2017 Staff Share Posted December 18, 2017 Thanks donka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affni Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I had to do yet another comparison. Surprise, the folks at Serif have done a great job. Now I'm happy. My feeling is, that you have now a greater flexibility with Affinity Photo's shadow correction as with Photoshop. Pixelmator dos the job too but with just one slider, further fine-tuning is not part of that effect. The result on the iPad is for me the best. However I have not tried too much on my MacBook to achieve a similar result. So all in all I feel that Affinity Photos has now the best control to correct shadows by not only lighten it but by offering additional sliders to maintain the overall appearance of a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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