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Shadows issue in latest beta.

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Okay, when increasing shadows in the develop persona in the latest beta, I’m getting a horrible sparkling effect as soon as I increase the shadow by 1. This affects raw files (NEF) as well as jpg. This doesn’t happen in the photo persona or when using other apps like Apple Photos or RAW Power. 

Screens attached but this only seems to affect black images such as this moon shot. 

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That looks quite nasty, I shot Nikon as well, and have somewhere a RAW File of the Super moon from last year. I will check it later and post here the result.


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I can confirm this looks really bad. Weird since I can bump up the shadows on almost dark underexposed daylight photos like a boss. 

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Have the same problem. 

When I need to lighten the shadows Photoshop offers many options to finetune this process - like selecting the strength and range separately or protect the black. 

When I do the same in Affinity Photo I only have ONE slider to lighten the shadows. And the result: I get a washed out picture especially when applying it to faces. But even other pictures like of buildings or furniture looses saturation and the color as such is shifting. And you can not compensate this effect by increasing for example the saturation.

Since I was not sure, what to post without violating any rights I thought Mr. Bach will not mind, being used for demonstration purposes.

First picture ist processed with Affinity Photo, the last with Adobe Photoshop - in the middle is the original.

JSBach Affinity.jpg

JSBach Original.jpg

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Hey Affni,

 

the first one looks like the shadows been processed by the current stable Version. Are those iPad Beta screenshots?

I just ask because despite the night photo issues with the shadow slider, on normal daylight raw files, it’s awesome so far, compared to Photoshop way better I would say. B|

 

cheers,

lutz 


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1 hour ago, pixelcoder said:

Hey Affni,

the first one looks like the shadows been processed by the current stable Version. Are those iPad Beta screenshots?

cheers,

lutz 

 

It's actually from the current stable desktop version 1.6.6. But my iPad Pro Affinity Photos version 1.6.5 produces the same unreal shadow effect. ... as does Affinity Designer 1.6.0.

I realize that this post deals with beta-issues. But I felt it makes no sense to open an extra post on one of the a final versions.

 

I trust the this can be resolved but not with one single slider.

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It’s really better in the current beta, maybe give it a try. I attached your example and did a quick screenrecording of the Shadows in the current beta version.

 

Cheers,

Lutz

 

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Test 1.mp4


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Hi Lutz,

how should one install the beta? On a separate system/drive or can it exist parallel with the current Version 1.6.6  on my standard Macintosh HD ?

Regards Affni

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Hey again,

9 minutes ago, Affni said:

Hi Lutz,

how should one install the beta? On a separate system/drive or can it exist parallel with the current Version 1.6.6  on my standard Macintosh HD ?

Regards Affni

 

You can have both versions installed alongside on Mac, follow this thread there you find the download link for the Mac Version.

 

Happy testing. :)

cheers,

Lutz


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Hi donka

 

For me it seems to be still broken for jpegs but ok for RAW files. Also, if I convert a jpeg to 32-bit (RGB/HDR) before entering Develop then it works ok. Is that your experience? If not, can you let me have the files you are testing with?

 

Cheers

Justin

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27 minutes ago, Justin said:

Hi donka

 

For me it seems to be still broken for jpegs but ok for RAW files. Also, if I convert a jpeg to 32-bit (RGB/HDR) before entering Develop then it works ok. Is that your experience? If not, can you let me have the files you are testing with?

 

Cheers

Justin

 

I had posted my finding of doing frequency separation first and then lighten shadows. Strange enough this post is gone. So her is again the result of frequency separation = 20 pixel ... after that I could move up with the shadow to 143. 

 

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The results are better than going through the Develop Persona. Also in the Develop Persona the maximum is 100 - hence the results are not as light as by using frequency separation. But at least its a way to lighten it without washing out effects.The second picture is the result via Develop Persona. By the way - there is no difference if you I convert to 32bit HDR. Both look like the second picture

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1 hour ago, Justin said:

Hi donka

 

For me it seems to be still broken for jpegs but ok for RAW files. Also, if I convert a jpeg to 32-bit (RGB/HDR) before entering Develop then it works ok. Is that your experience? If not, can you let me have the files you are testing with?

 

Cheers

Justin

 

Hi Justin, just tried again and still happening with both RAW and JPG, even if I convert the jpg to 32/HDR first before going to develop. I have attached both a RAW and jpg for you to check. Given the proximity of the sparkles, it looks like it is greatly amplifying sensor noise. 

I have uploaded 2 samples to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/41q98oex0dwph2l/AAA6KzK2HhjPqHRBvqPDdHOia?dl=0

 

 

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FYI. AP is still loading the original image from Photos, even if you make edits in Photos first i.e. AP does not load the latest version of an image from Photos so I couldn’t even bump the shadows in Photos first before passing to AP for further editing. 

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I had to do yet another comparison. Surprise, the folks at Serif have done a great job. Now I'm happy. My feeling is, that you have now a greater flexibility with Affinity Photo's shadow correction as with Photoshop. Pixelmator dos the job too but with just one slider, further fine-tuning is not part of that effect. 

The result on the iPad is for me the best. However I have not tried too much on my MacBook to achieve a similar result. So all in all I feel that Affinity Photos has now the best control to correct shadows by not only lighten it but by offering additional sliders to maintain the overall appearance of a picture.

Comparison of shadow correction.jpg

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