Petar Petrenko Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 If you have 2 consecutive paragraphs (subtitles) set to "Start on Next Page" and you want in some cases to keep them together, you can't achieve this even if you set "Space between same styles" to 0. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I think the "start on next page" is an incompatible setting for the second paragraph when you want to keep them together. When that case arises, I would suggest using a second text style, that is based on the first text style but does not have "start on next page" specified. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petar Petrenko Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I think the "start on next page" is an incompatible setting for the second paragraph when you want to keep them together. Why? It works in InDesign. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 17 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I think the "start on next page" is an incompatible setting for the second paragraph when you want to keep them together. If the "start on next…" options override the flow options below shouldn't those been grayed-out in the UI to make clear that they don't affect the style? Edited April 16 by thomaso Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petar Petrenko Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 14 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: When that case arises, I would suggest using a second text style "Space between same styles" is here to prevent creating additional unnecessary styles. thomaso 1 Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 While the non-affecting flow options for any "Start in/on Next…" setting appear like a bug to me, a workaround might work in the meanwhile: a large "Space After" for the previous style instead of "Start on Next…" for its following paragraph style. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petar Petrenko Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 31 minutes ago, thomaso said: a workaround might work in the meanwhile: a large "Space After" for the previous style instead of "Start on Next…" for its following paragraph style. Yes, in some cases I use this trick, but my philosophy is minimalism -- maximum results with minimum efforts (if possible). In this case I will join them with soft RETURN. Quote All the latest releases of Designer, Photo and Publisher (retail and beta) on MacOS and Windows. 15” Dell Inspiron 7559 i7 ● Windows 10 x64 Pro ● Intel Core i7-6700HQ (3.50 GHz, 6M) ● 16 GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600 MHz (8GBx2) ● NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4 GB GDDR5 ● 500 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD ● UHD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED - Backlit Touch Display 32” LG 32UN650-W display ● 3840 x 2160 UHD, IPS, HDR10 ● Color Gamut: DCI-P3 95%, Color Calibrated ● 2 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort 13.3” MacBook Pro (2017) ● Ventura 13.6 ● Intel Core i7 (3.50 GHz Dual Core) ● 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 ● Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650 1536 MB ● 500 GB SSD ● Retina Display (3360 x 2100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Petar Petrenko said: If you have 2 consecutive paragraphs (subtitles) set to "Start on Next Page" and you want in some cases to keep them together, you can't achieve this even if you set "Space between same styles" to 0. This is a perfect case where overrides should be used. Override the Flow options for the second (subtitles) paragraph to Anywhere from On next page. Here is the original setting, Start on next page for both the chapter headings.... ... and here I have overridden that setting for that one instance of the Chapter Name paragraph style. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Petar Petrenko said: Why? It works in InDesign. Publisher is not InDesign, and works differently in many ways. As far as I know, in Publisher (and the Affinity applications in general) the setting "Space between styles" is part of the Paragraph Spacing settings (Space Before/Space After, etc.) and is related to specific defined spacing. The "Start on next page" is not spacing, in that sense, and thus is not affected by "Space between styles". So as it is currently designed you can use a different text style (as I suggested) or a Line Break (as you have done) or a Paragraph Panel override as Old Bruce suggested. Or you could add a Feature Request to make it work like InDesign. Or you could try reporting it as a bug and see what Serif staff say. But at this point you need to use one of the alternative methods. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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