Bug on stroke?

[Pšenda]

41 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Should the names change depending on if the curve is open or closed?

Of course - the point of contextual elements, such as the button icon and its tooltip, is that it reacts to the current state of the element/object, and changes depending on the context. In some cases even Affinity can handle it, but quite often unfortunately not - see for example the active buttons Inside/Outside, which do nothing on an open curve and therefore make no sense.

 

9 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Personally, I do not think there is any obvious solution for this; thus why I think it is a dilemma the developers have not already addressed.

If you need to find out how someone else solved this "unsolvable" problem, you can look at a competitor (or maybe someone will provide a screenshot of the UI).

 

[Pšenda]

20 hours ago, R C-R said:

What would you suggest for ones like in this inside or outside?.afdesign example?

As has been said many times, in the case of an open curve there is no Inside/Outside, but Left side/Right side.
Because the beginning of the curve and its end are clear - see the red square at the end of the curve,

or just to be sure, for better clarity here,

so if you walk this path from the beginning/start to the end, the Right side is on your right hand, and the Left side is on your left hand.
Nothing complicated, and repeatedly rotating, overlapping and looping the "open" curve doesn't change anything.

[thomaso]

45 minutes ago, R C-R said:

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The results of setting the fill mode of vector paths are completely clear, predictable, & comprehensible if one understands the logic

Wow. Do you assume a majority of users "understands the logic" of this "convention"? – What Fill Mode is currently active for the figures a – d and how will a switch change their fills, for instance how many pink or white sub-areas will get affected in each of them by the other Fill Mode? (a-c are open, d is closed)

[R C-R]

57 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

... see for example the active buttons Inside/Outside, which do nothing on an open curve and therefore make no sense.

Actually, they do something, namely to set the stroke alignment attribute to one of 3 possible values. That they have no visible effect for some vector objects should not be any more surprising than setting the color or cap or join attributes of a stroke when the stroke width is set to zero. For all of them, if or when the shape is closed those attributes become visible in the document view but they are always visible in the Stroke panel or Stroke dropdown in AP, which has no separate Stroke panel.

40 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

As has been said many times, in the case of an open curve there is no Inside/Outside, but Left side/Right side.

That is simply not true in the Affinity implementation -- the inside/outside/centered attribute is always there, whether or not it has any visible effect.

I suppose it would be possible to add an additional set of left/right attribute buttons, but I think it might be confusing if there were two different potentially conflicting results as curves were opened & closed.

21 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Do you assume a majority of users "understands the logic" of this "convention"?

I don't assume anything other than that the logic is very well established, clearly definable, & completely comprehensible once someone understands its basis. So basically, I do not expect Affinity to do more than explain how it works in for example this Fill Mode help topic for those who do not already know what it does.

[Pšenda]

4 hours ago, R C-R said:

That is simply not true in the Affinity implementation -- the inside/outside/centered attribute is always there, whether or not it has any visible effect.

But you are describing the current incorrect and inconsistent implementation, which we are trying to improve the "suggestions" and expand with additional functionality.
Why inconsistent? Just stay in the same Stroke panel - why can't the size of the arrowhead be set when the shape of the arrow is not selected?

As with the outside setting for an open curve, the user might want to set the arrow size up front (latently) before setting its type!
It is of course a pointless procedure, because I only set the size of the arrow when I really need it, so disabled is quite correct.
But why can I reset the arrowhead size setting even with the arrow type not selected, when I can't even set its size?
Why can I swap arrowhead that I don't even have set? - what kind of logic is this? Just a poorly implemented UI.

Why does the set line width resets when I cancel the line type?

And setting it will set the line type again?

According to your description and understanding of the implementation, it should remain completely independent, and should not be affected in any way.

Why do I have the dotted line attributes hidden for the solid line when I would like to set them up front (latently)?

Why do I have a hidden pressure profile by the dotted line, when I would like to set it forward (latently), and have it ready when I switch to solid line?

The UI is just unresolved, inconsistent and often illogically - why should I set the Inside/Outside attribute for an open curve, if I ever wanted to close her? That's just nonsense.

[chrispa]

On 3/20/2024 at 2:12 PM, R C-R said:

What do you mean by background color? Are you talking about a fill color or something else?

Yes R C-R, fill color. As I'm using a french version, I don't know exact words of the features in english version…

[Alfred]

14 hours ago, chrispa said:

As I'm using a french version, I don't know exact words of the features in english version…

You can switch to the English language interface by going to the Édition menu and choosing « Paramètres > Général > *Langue: English UK[/US] ». Alternatively, quote the French terms and leave it to other users either to translate for themselves or to find those features within the app by going to the Edit menu and choosing “Settings > General > *Language: français”.