RAF Images Colour Desaturated

[jubro]

I just bought a Fuji X-T5 and did my first shoot set to RAF with unadjusted Provia STD film simulation.

The RAF images load into XnView MP and Faststone showing the colours correct as captured, but when I load the RAF into Affinity 1 or 2 the colours are very washed out. Also, until I add lens correction in AF2 there is a black vertical bar along the right edge of the image. See uploaded files.

UPDATE: Having just batch converted them into jpgs using Faststone they are resolved into two files per image file: one totally black image with the original file name, and a second with the image desaturated and the file name with added suffix: '_result'

UPDATE: I have added a screenshot of the image in Capture One which seems to show heavier blacks incurring a loss of shadow detail, and perhaps added contrast increasing the colour saturation very slightly.

UPDATE: I have added a screenshot of the image in AF2 with the lens correction applied. Notice how the black vertical bar, to the right of the image, is now curved.

UPDATE: Further... I have tried setting the X-T5 to shoot RAW+JPG with a B&W Film Sim. When I import the RAF to AP2 it appears in correct RAW colour, and when lens corrected the black bar disappears (though it is there without the lens correction).

So, it seems that the only way to achieve a non-film simulation colour RAF is to shoot in both RAW+JPG. I wonder why Fuji haven't provided an option to shoot RAW without a film sim...

 

[carl123]

Is Tone Curve on or off in the Develop Assistant settings?

Note: In V2 you need to reload the Raw file after making any changes in the Develop Assistant

[jubro]

32 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Is Tone Curve on or off in the Develop Assistant settings?

Note: In V2 you need to reload the Raw file after making any changes in the Develop Assistant

The Develop Assistant settings are at default; Tone Curve is off.

I have updated the post.

[walt.farrell]

51 minutes ago, justinpbrown71 said:

The RAF images load into XnView MP and Faststone showing the colours correct as captured, but when I load the RAF into Affinity 1 or 2 the colours are very washed out.

RAW files are generally just raw sensor data. If a camera offers various shooting modes then those are applied to any JPG produced by the camera, and the settings may be included as added data in the RAW file. Other applications may try to apply those mode settings, to try to reproduce the results that you would see in a JPG created by the camera.

Affinity Photo does not. It gives you the RAW data, and lets you decide how the image should look. There are settings in the Develop Assistant that can help a bit (default tone curve, exposure bias) but for the most part you just get the RAW sensor data.

[jubro]

4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

RAW files are generally just raw sensor data. If a camera offers various shooting modes then those are applied to any JPG produced by the camera, and the settings may be included as added data in the RAW file. Other applications may try to apply those mode settings, to try to reproduce the results that you would see in a JPG created by the camera.

Affinity Photo does not. It gives you the RAW data, and lets you decide how the image should look. There are settings in the Develop Assistant that can help a bit (default tone curve, exposure bias) but for the most part you just get the RAW sensor data.

Thank you. But then why is the raw data of the image so desaturated? To get the image colour approximately the same as is displayed in-camera and in the other softwares shown above, I need to apply full saturation and vibrancy in the AF2 RAW Developer.

[walt.farrell]

13 minutes ago, justinpbrown71 said:

But then why is the raw data of the image so desaturated?

I'm not sure.

One possible reason could be that the X-T5 isn't supported by Affinity Photo. It's not listed, as far as I can see, here:

 

[jubro]

2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure.

One possible reason could be that the X-T5 isn't supported by Affinity Photo. It's not listed, as far as I can see, here:

 

I just noticed the exclusion of the X-T5 from that list too...

I don't want to spend 350 on buying Capture 1 to process this one shoot (as until the X-T5 is added to AF2 I will shoot in jpg) just so that I can access the lens correction tool, which doesn't seem to be available in the trial version.

I'll just have to use AF2 and massively increase the saturation of the images from this shoot.

[walt.farrell]

50 minutes ago, justinpbrown71 said:

I will shoot in jpg) just so that I can access the lens correction tool, which doesn't seem to be available in the trial version.

The Trial has all the functions of the purchased version, and certainly has Lens Correction.

[jubro]

1 minute ago, walt.farrell said:

The Trial has all the functions of the purchased version, and certainly has Lens Correction.

I can't find lens correction in Capture One Express trial. Though I have read that Fuji X series cameras auto-correct lens distortion in camera, so it should already be done. Which, in turn, begs the question of why the distortion is obviously corrected by AP2 in raw developer (unless it's a glitch, the X-T5 not being amongs the list of suppported cameras), if it is already supposed to have been done in-camera.

[jubro]

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

RAW files are generally just raw sensor data. If a camera offers various shooting modes then those are applied to any JPG produced by the camera, and the settings may be included as added data in the RAW file. Other applications may try to apply those mode settings, to try to reproduce the results that you would see in a JPG created by the camera.

Affinity Photo does not. It gives you the RAW data, and lets you decide how the image should look. There are settings in the Develop Assistant that can help a bit (default tone curve, exposure bias) but for the most part you just get the RAW sensor data.

But, the X-T5 has no option to turn off Film Simulation. This then would mean that whatever image I see in the EV or on the screen of the X-T5 I will never be able to import into AP2 (and possibly other processing softwares) if I shoot in RAW. Why then would Fuji bake Film Simulation into their camera hardware? Surely it would put off most photographers who shoot in RAW...

[walt.farrell]

20 minutes ago, justinpbrown71 said:

I can't find lens correction in Capture One Express trial.

Sorry. I thought you meant an Affinity trial.

[Dan C]

Hi @justinpbrown71,

There are likely a few things at play here:

1. As mentioned above, the SerifLABs RAW engine (and by extension LibRAW) does not currently support the Fuji X-T5 - therefore the RAW file may not be accurately displayed within Affinity. We will need to wait for LibRAW to support your camera, before we can implement support for this in Affinity. 
    
2. Although your Lens is supported for Lens Correction, due to the above this may cause inaccuracies when corrected with an unsupported RAW format - such as the 'black bar' shown in your screenshots.
    
3. Unfortunately Affinity does not currently support the Fuji Film Simulations - as far as I'm aware these are only compatible with Lightroom / Capture One / Fuji  currently as Fuji work directly with these applications to add support.

I hope this clears things up!