GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 I compared the kerning of some fonts between Designer and Inkscape, and the difference is huge. Here are my 3 fonts inside inkscape, typed as is : And here are the same 3 fonts, same text, inside Designer. Space between letters is way too important, but the one for "M" letters really stands out. I don't understand why Inkscape kerning is well balanced, and Designer... well, is totally wrong. Maybe because of my fonts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affinityconfusesme Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 are these variable fonts? Quote Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Ryzen 7 5700U Rx Vega 8 graphics 16GB RAM (15.3 usable) Acer KB202 27in 1080p monitor Affinity Photo 1.10.6 Affinity photo 2 2.4.2 Affinity Designer 2 2.4.2 Affinity Publisher 2 2.4.2 on Windows 11 Pro version 23H2 Beta builds as they come out. canon 80d| sigma 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM | Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD | Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Autofocus APS-C Lens, Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Author Share Posted August 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, tzvi20 said: are these variable fonts? No. Very classic fonts, packed as .otf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Are they fonts you can share, or are they commercial fonts you had to pay for? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Author Share Posted August 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Are they fonts you can share, or are they commercial fonts you had to pay for? It's commercial fonts. KC Radio Sans KC Leisure Park KC Kato Bubble However, it seems Leisure Park is actually free. https://www.kernclub.com/shop/leisure-park-font Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted August 10, 2023 Staff Share Posted August 10, 2023 Thanks for your report and sorry to hear you're having trouble! 51 minutes ago, GenewalDesign said: However, it seems Leisure Park is actually free. https://www.kernclub.com/shop/leisure-park-font Unfortunately Chrome has actually blocked the .ZIP download, both from the site directly and through the order email in Gmail for security reasons. Are you able to upload a copy of the .otf font file (not the zipped version) to the below link for me? I appreciate you cannot provide the other commercial font files. https://www.dropbox.com/request/rpohKGpG6t3NAlH5ozx2 Once uploaded, please let me know Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Author Share Posted August 10, 2023 It's uploaded! I included the 3 styles to be sure you can test it totally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted August 11, 2023 Author Share Posted August 11, 2023 @Dan C I just opened my file in the macOS version of AD and the tracking is good. It must be a bug from the Windows version of AD, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted August 14, 2023 Staff Share Posted August 14, 2023 Apologies for the delayed response - thanks for the files and further testing conducted! On 8/11/2023 at 7:57 AM, GenewalDesign said: I just opened my file in the macOS version of AD and the tracking is good. It must be a bug from the Windows version of AD, then I can confirm I'm seeing the same behaviour and therefore I'm logging this as a bug with our developers now. I hope this helps GenewalDesign 1 Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 19 hours ago, Dan C said: Apologies for the delayed response - thanks for the files and further testing conducted! I can confirm I'm seeing the same behaviour and therefore I'm logging this as a bug with our developers now. I hope this helps Thanks Dan! I hope the hotfix will come out quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 I know that my bug is not a critical issue, but I wasn't expecting so much of a wait 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted April 8 Staff Share Posted April 8 Sorry to hear this issue has not yet been resolved @GenewalDesign! I will be sure to bump/update this issue with our development team now, to bring it to their attention once again. I hope this helps! GenewalDesign 1 Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 @Dan C This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. See: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/195968-font-rendered-and-exported-differently/ Another case of a font created with Fontself Maker with excessive multi-mapping. The problems with excessive multi-mapping are discussed in the above thread. So basically the problem is in the fonts. Yes, some other applications may handle this, but creating fonts like this is just dumb. Which is why Adobe strongly discourages it, and Google Fonts outright prohibits it. Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 16 minutes ago, kenmcd said: This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. This issue is also tagged as AF-1541: Default horizontal spacing on certain fonts WAY off. kenmcd 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenewalDesign Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 20 minutes ago, kenmcd said: @Dan C This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. See: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/195968-font-rendered-and-exported-differently/ Another case of a font created with Fontself Maker with excessive multi-mapping. The problems with excessive multi-mapping are discussed in the above thread. So basically the problem is in the fonts. Yes, some other applications may handle this, but creating fonts like this is just dumb. Which is why Adobe strongly discourages it, and Google Fonts outright prohibits it. But why this problem is only in Windows and not in MacOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 19 minutes ago, Alfred said: This issue is also tagged as AF-1541: Default horizontal spacing on certain fonts WAY off. Probably the same issue (excessive multi-mapping). But I never did get a look at that particular font. It is mentioned that it is "an all caps font" so it could have the same multi-mapping to the lowercase characters like these ones. I looked at the three KC Leisure Park fonts, and many others from the same developer in a pack of their "free" fonts (61 fonts). Wadda mess. Does the same thing as the fonts in the other thread I linked to - when butchering his fonts to make the free versions, he multi-maps all the glyphs he has removed to the base character. So Aacute is mapped to A, and Agrave is mapped to A, etc., etc. Sleazy. And dumb. Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 40 minutes ago, GenewalDesign said: But why this problem is only in Windows and not in MacOS? As @kenmcd indicated here, support for multi-mapped glyphs varies from one OS to the next. kenmcd 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 45 minutes ago, GenewalDesign said: But why this problem is only in Windows and not in MacOS? For me - don't know, don't care. The fonts are purposely broken junk. You should read through the longer explanation posts in the linked thread. Different applications and different operating systems have different text shapers, etc. Given the edge case here - of purposely broken multi-mapped demo fonts - I doubt the Affinity developers would prioritize this issue over many other far more important issues. Would be surprised if this gets "fixed" any time soon, if ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted April 9 Staff Share Posted April 9 14 hours ago, kenmcd said: @Dan C This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. See: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/195968-font-rendered-and-exported-differently/ Thanks for letting me know - I agree these certainly appear to be similar issues under different reports, I'll get these linked together internally now for our development team. Unfortunately I'm not personally well-versed enough in font metrics to be certain if this is something that our team can fix, though I am sure if we can improve the way these fonts are handled in Affinity on Windows, our team will be happy to implement said improvements to the app kenmcd 1 Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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