GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Posted August 10, 2023 I compared the kerning of some fonts between Designer and Inkscape, and the difference is huge. Here are my 3 fonts inside inkscape, typed as is : And here are the same 3 fonts, same text, inside Designer. Space between letters is way too important, but the one for "M" letters really stands out. I don't understand why Inkscape kerning is well balanced, and Designer... well, is totally wrong. Maybe because of my fonts ? Quote
Affinityconfusesme Posted August 10, 2023 Posted August 10, 2023 are these variable fonts? Quote New hardware dell inspiron 3030 i5 14400/16GB DDR5/UHD 730 graphics Acer KB202 27in 1080p monitor Affinity Photo 1.10.6 Affinity photo 2 2.5.3 Affinity Designer 2 2.5.3 Affinity Publisher 2 2.5.3 on Windows 11 Pro version 24H2 Beta builds as they come out. canon 80d| sigma 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM | Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD | Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Autofocus APS-C Lens, Black
GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Author Posted August 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, tzvi20 said: are these variable fonts? No. Very classic fonts, packed as .otf. Quote
walt.farrell Posted August 10, 2023 Posted August 10, 2023 Are they fonts you can share, or are they commercial fonts you had to pay for? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.5, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.4
GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Author Posted August 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Are they fonts you can share, or are they commercial fonts you had to pay for? It's commercial fonts. KC Radio Sans KC Leisure Park KC Kato Bubble However, it seems Leisure Park is actually free. https://www.kernclub.com/shop/leisure-park-font Quote
Dan C Posted August 10, 2023 Posted August 10, 2023 Thanks for your report and sorry to hear you're having trouble! 51 minutes ago, GenewalDesign said: However, it seems Leisure Park is actually free. https://www.kernclub.com/shop/leisure-park-font Unfortunately Chrome has actually blocked the .ZIP download, both from the site directly and through the order email in Gmail for security reasons. Are you able to upload a copy of the .otf font file (not the zipped version) to the below link for me? I appreciate you cannot provide the other commercial font files. https://www.dropbox.com/request/rpohKGpG6t3NAlH5ozx2 Once uploaded, please let me know Quote
GenewalDesign Posted August 10, 2023 Author Posted August 10, 2023 It's uploaded! I included the 3 styles to be sure you can test it totally. Quote
GenewalDesign Posted August 11, 2023 Author Posted August 11, 2023 @Dan C I just opened my file in the macOS version of AD and the tracking is good. It must be a bug from the Windows version of AD, then. Quote
Dan C Posted August 14, 2023 Posted August 14, 2023 Apologies for the delayed response - thanks for the files and further testing conducted! On 8/11/2023 at 7:57 AM, GenewalDesign said: I just opened my file in the macOS version of AD and the tracking is good. It must be a bug from the Windows version of AD, then I can confirm I'm seeing the same behaviour and therefore I'm logging this as a bug with our developers now. I hope this helps GenewalDesign 1 Quote
GenewalDesign Posted August 15, 2023 Author Posted August 15, 2023 19 hours ago, Dan C said: Apologies for the delayed response - thanks for the files and further testing conducted! I can confirm I'm seeing the same behaviour and therefore I'm logging this as a bug with our developers now. I hope this helps Thanks Dan! I hope the hotfix will come out quickly. Quote
GenewalDesign Posted April 8, 2024 Author Posted April 8, 2024 I know that my bug is not a critical issue, but I wasn't expecting so much of a wait 😅 Quote
Dan C Posted April 8, 2024 Posted April 8, 2024 Sorry to hear this issue has not yet been resolved @GenewalDesign! I will be sure to bump/update this issue with our development team now, to bring it to their attention once again. I hope this helps! GenewalDesign 1 Quote
kenmcd Posted April 8, 2024 Posted April 8, 2024 @Dan C This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. See: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/195968-font-rendered-and-exported-differently/ Another case of a font created with Fontself Maker with excessive multi-mapping. The problems with excessive multi-mapping are discussed in the above thread. So basically the problem is in the fonts. Yes, some other applications may handle this, but creating fonts like this is just dumb. Which is why Adobe strongly discourages it, and Google Fonts outright prohibits it. Alfred 1 Quote
Alfred Posted April 8, 2024 Posted April 8, 2024 16 minutes ago, kenmcd said: This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. This issue is also tagged as AF-1541: Default horizontal spacing on certain fonts WAY off. kenmcd 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
GenewalDesign Posted April 8, 2024 Author Posted April 8, 2024 20 minutes ago, kenmcd said: @Dan C This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. See: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/195968-font-rendered-and-exported-differently/ Another case of a font created with Fontself Maker with excessive multi-mapping. The problems with excessive multi-mapping are discussed in the above thread. So basically the problem is in the fonts. Yes, some other applications may handle this, but creating fonts like this is just dumb. Which is why Adobe strongly discourages it, and Google Fonts outright prohibits it. But why this problem is only in Windows and not in MacOS? Quote
kenmcd Posted April 8, 2024 Posted April 8, 2024 19 minutes ago, Alfred said: This issue is also tagged as AF-1541: Default horizontal spacing on certain fonts WAY off. Probably the same issue (excessive multi-mapping). But I never did get a look at that particular font. It is mentioned that it is "an all caps font" so it could have the same multi-mapping to the lowercase characters like these ones. I looked at the three KC Leisure Park fonts, and many others from the same developer in a pack of their "free" fonts (61 fonts). Wadda mess. Does the same thing as the fonts in the other thread I linked to - when butchering his fonts to make the free versions, he multi-maps all the glyphs he has removed to the base character. So Aacute is mapped to A, and Agrave is mapped to A, etc., etc. Sleazy. And dumb. Alfred 1 Quote
Alfred Posted April 8, 2024 Posted April 8, 2024 40 minutes ago, GenewalDesign said: But why this problem is only in Windows and not in MacOS? As @kenmcd indicated here, support for multi-mapped glyphs varies from one OS to the next. kenmcd 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen)
kenmcd Posted April 8, 2024 Posted April 8, 2024 45 minutes ago, GenewalDesign said: But why this problem is only in Windows and not in MacOS? For me - don't know, don't care. The fonts are purposely broken junk. You should read through the longer explanation posts in the linked thread. Different applications and different operating systems have different text shapers, etc. Given the edge case here - of purposely broken multi-mapped demo fonts - I doubt the Affinity developers would prioritize this issue over many other far more important issues. Would be surprised if this gets "fixed" any time soon, if ever. Quote
Dan C Posted April 9, 2024 Posted April 9, 2024 14 hours ago, kenmcd said: @Dan C This appears to be the same issue as AF-1541. See: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/195968-font-rendered-and-exported-differently/ Thanks for letting me know - I agree these certainly appear to be similar issues under different reports, I'll get these linked together internally now for our development team. Unfortunately I'm not personally well-versed enough in font metrics to be certain if this is something that our team can fix, though I am sure if we can improve the way these fonts are handled in Affinity on Windows, our team will be happy to implement said improvements to the app kenmcd 1 Quote
shadanan Posted May 7, 2024 Posted May 7, 2024 I believe I am experiencing the exact same issue. To avoid duplicating bug reports, I'm going to add my two cents here. Using the Nunito Black font, the default kerning looks off: Notice how the "r" bleeds into the "l". If I type this text in to literally any other app, Google Docs, Pixelmator, Final Cut Pro, it looks like this: I've attached the afdesign file in case that helps. cipherly.afdesign System: Affinity Designer 2 2.4.2 MacOS 14.4.1 Apple M1 Max 64 GB Quote
kenmcd Posted May 7, 2024 Posted May 7, 2024 48 minutes ago, shadanan said: I believe I am experiencing the exact same issue. To avoid duplicating bug reports, I'm going to add my two cents here. Using the Nunito Black font, the default kerning looks off: Notice how the "r" bleeds into the "l". If I type this text in to literally any other app, Google Docs, Pixelmator, Final Cut Pro, it looks like this: I've attached the afdesign file in case that helps. cipherly.afdesign System: Affinity Designer 2 2.4.2 MacOS 14.4.1 Apple M1 Max 64 GB Different issue. In the image below, your doc opened in Designer 2.4.1 on Windows 10. Looks fine here. Do you also have the variable fonts installed? If you do, un-install them. Cannot have statics and variables from GF installed at the same time. shadanan 1 Quote
shadanan Posted May 7, 2024 Posted May 7, 2024 Thanks. Your suggestion worked. I was able to fix the issue by uninstalling the variable font Nunito-VariableFont_wght.ttf and installing the static font Nunito-Black.ttf instead. kenmcd 1 Quote
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