R C-R Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, jackamus said: With respect RC you are unable to see a connection between things that are similar and things that aren't. The 'something else' you speak of may be connected but totally different with the other thing and therefore cannot be treated equally like wheels and legs. Although they are connected (do the same job) they cannot be compared in a like way and to try and make it so would be daft! I can see the difference between things that are in some respects similar like wheels & legs & those that are exactly alike in all respects. Physical printing, particularly letterpress printing, is in some respects similar to desktop publishing but very far from exactly the same in all respects. For instance, DTP may be done using an inkjet or laser printer, or published electronically without being physically printed at all. It follows that the terminology that applies to one perfectly may be similar to but not the same as the terminology that applies to the other. Treating them as if they were would be daft. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, R C-R said: It follows that the terminology that applies to one perfectly may be similar to but not the same as the terminology that applies to the other. Treating them as if they were would be daft. @jackamus, with other words, while the old technology handled with physical objects which get literally 'put' inside, in DTP no such object exists at all and nothing get 'put' but rather a value only gets changed. Thus a comparison between physical versus virtual may appear less related then e.g. legs with wheels, both physical. (Btw., should we indeed call the legs of a table 'legs' … or call a table in DTP a 'table' or a 'shelf' … etc. ?) Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, jackamus said: As an illustration I believe that there is an area that has been greatly helped by computers but without changing any of the traditional standards and nomenclature and that is music! The computer can create instant audible sounds of a musical composition as it is written which is great. It can instantly change pitch or key or volume or all the other audible aspect of music but without changing the way it is traditionally understood. If a DTP graphics developer got hold of it I reckon the first thing he would do would be to create 6 line staves instead of the traditional 5 on the basis that there are just 12 different notes (I speak of western music). He would make (…) Yes. One reason that the music nomenclature / notation did not change might be that is more related to a mathematical language than to typesetting or graphic design which yearn for flexibility. Nevertheless, there appear to be desires to modify the way of music notation (as you assumed: because of the number 12 and altering # and b), here a hint from "dozenal.org": Quote Hamburg Music Notation: A Dozenal System Music lovers have long been interested in dozenal; from the very beginning, with Vodjevetz’s new musical notation, applying dozenals to music has been a constant interest. So they may be interested in reading about the Hamburg Music Notation system: https://hamburgmusicnotation.com/ Taking the observation that an “octave” contains twelve semitones, Hamburg notation numbers notes and presents them as numerical quantities. Very interesting, and worth a look for those who understand such things. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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