APub-V2 Chicago 17 footnote/bibliography setup for uni assignments

[Hakim-Au]

Greetings from a brand new user to V2. I bought V1 but never really used it, not investing the time to learn. Perhaps that is an asset now as I don't have anything to unlearn.

MS Word and Endnote don't work well together on my machines and seeing the What's new in Publisher V2 video on Youtube demonstrating the new capacity to include footnotes was enough to justify an upgrade.

I have searched the forum for info on bibliography and read some suggestions for V1 using master pages but basically saying APub was useless for academic work.

Does anyone here have advice for a newbie on setting up something for uni assignments which require a cover page, the body of the assignment with page numbers and footnotes, and a bibliography?

Many thanks,

Hakim

[Stevenlgts]

I was hoping to see it in V2 but looks like it hasn't made it here yet. Kind of surprised if you ask me since it is a key part of any publication.

[walt.farrell]

Footnotes are in V2. And Endnotes are in V2. And Hyperlinks are in both V1 and V2.

I don't know what the requirements are for a Bibliography that you need to satisfy, so I can't be sure whether there's enough there yet. Do you have a sample of what you need?

[MikeTO]

3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I don't know what the requirements are for a Bibliography that you need to satisfy, so I can't be sure whether there's enough there yet. Do you have a sample of what you need?

MS Word has a citations feature for doing work like this. Neither InDesign or Quark have a feature for this so Affinity is not alone in this regard.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/ab9322bb-a8d3-47f4-80c8-63c06779f127

[Hakim-Au]

Thank you walt.farrell and MikeTO.

Walt, the requirements for the Bibliography are simply pages at the end of the assignment with a precisely formatted alphabetical list of references. This I can create manually. It is more the initial setup of the document which I can then use as a template for all the assignments. My assumption is three sections using master pages.

Section 1 - a cover page with a blank reverse side
Section 2 - the numbered pages of the body of the assignment with footnotes
Section 3 - the Bibliography

Mike, Word 365 and citing do not work on my machine. Word is simply flaky most of the time on both my desktop and laptop.

 

Thank you both for your support.
Hakim

[walt.farrell]

Thanks, @Hakim-Au. 

Of those requirements, the alphabetical sort is probably the part that can't be done automatically today. 

[Hakim-Au]

Thanks again Walt,

I have been playing with APub most of the day and have ended up feeling frustrated. The absence of beginner stuff that answers my need for V2 leads to much trial and error. As assignments can be presented in word or pdf I finally settled on no master pages and no facing pages. At this stage it looks like manual entry of page numbers is the simplest method. Sections insist on numbering the first section - one page in this case - and I haven't found a way to do this in APub yet. The Bibliography will just be the last page or two, not needing anything different.

Best wishes,
Hakim

[MikeTO]

1 minute ago, Hakim-Au said:

Thanks again Walt,

I have been playing with APub most of the day and have ended up feeling frustrated. The absence of beginner stuff that answers my need for V2 leads to much trial and error. As assignments can be presented in word or pdf I finally settled on no master pages and no facing pages. At this stage it looks like manual entry of page numbers is the simplest method. Sections insist on numbering the first section - one page in this case - and I haven't found a way to do this in APub yet. The Bibliography will just be the last page or two, not needing anything different.

Best wishes,
Hakim

You should never have to number pages manually. Put the page number on your master pages.

Sections - I agree that the Section Manager could use some improvements but I don't understand your issue. You don't have to number your first section if you don't want to. It's up to you what pages you add page numbers to. You can create different master pages for different sections and pages.

[Hakim-Au]

8 hours ago, MikeTO said:

You should never have to number pages manually. Put the page number on your master pages.

Sections - I agree that the Section Manager could use some improvements but I don't understand your issue. You don't have to number your first section if you don't want to. It's up to you what pages you add page numbers to. You can create different master pages for different sections and pages.

You are right Mike and after a good sleep, deleting my existing master pages and starting again, I found/created success.

Set up and populated a group of single pages with both cover page and body/bibliography draft text.
Created two single, not facing, master pages, one blank and one with just the page number at the bottom.
Dragged blank master onto the cover page, selected all the others and dragged the page-numbered master onto them.
Section manager functioned as it should and I have the desired outcome, successfully tested with a couple of exported PDFs.
Now pondering whether I really need the blank master ...

I am now a happy person who is ready to start learning in a structured way, looking forward to working through tutorial material designed for AV2.

Many thanks,
Hakim

[Old Bruce]

6 hours ago, Hakim-Au said:

Now pondering whether I really need the blank master ...

You can just use None from the Apply Master... in the context menu  as the Master/Parent page. This when you right click on the desired Actual page in the Pages panel. Be aware that I think you will not have any margins on that page.

I would class making a blank Master/Parent page as a best practice method, but perhaps a tad redundant.

[Hakim-Au]

28 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

You can just use None from the Apply Master... in the context menu  as the Master/Parent page. This when you right click on the desired Actual page in the Pages panel. Be aware that I think you will not have any margins on that page.

Thank you Bruce. Yes, I think you are right about the margins. I managed to keep the margins and text frame because I had already established those in the first three single pages, but I kept the margins but lost only the text frames in the process of adding more pages and then dragging the master with the page numbers only onto them.

It's a clunky way of learning but a lot of ancillary learning happens along the journey. Thinking about it now, I think I did use none but didn't lose anything on the cover page to which it was applied. Will try again looking to see what happens.

Best wishes,
Hakim

Edited November 13, 2022 by Hakim-Au

[Archangel]

On 11/12/2022 at 1:05 AM, MikeTO said:

MS Word has a citations feature for doing work like this. Neither InDesign or Quark have a feature for this so Affinity is not alone in this regard.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/ab9322bb-a8d3-47f4-80c8-63c06779f127

Do you think the Data Merge faculty could be co-opted to provide a flexible bibliography if the information had been entered on a spread sheet and exported as a csv? Or has data merge not got the required flexibility? It's not something I have used myself.

[Archangel]

On 11/11/2022 at 10:56 AM, Hakim-Au said:

Greetings from a brand new user to V2. I bought V1 but never really used it, not investing the time to learn. Perhaps that is an asset now as I don't have anything to unlearn.

MS Word and Endnote don't work well together on my machines and seeing the What's new in Publisher V2 video on Youtube demonstrating the new capacity to include footnotes was enough to justify an upgrade.

I have searched the forum for info on bibliography and read some suggestions for V1 using master pages but basically saying APub was useless for academic work.

Does anyone here have advice for a newbie on setting up something for uni assignments which require a cover page, the body of the assignment with page numbers and footnotes, and a bibliography?

Many thanks,

Hakim

I don't want to put you off using Publisher but have you looked at using either Only Office, or LibreOffice instead?They may gave the facilities you require built in or enabled with extensions.